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Given the cost, it seems like there would be a big opportunity to install geothermal to bring that cost down. The payback would be quick with electricity costs like that.


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I read this article, and I couldn't help thinking — Couldn't they spend these billions on something like deep geothermal energy and get a much better (and more likely) return?

It's also more expensive that geothermal, which that region can have in abundance.

Geothermal makes so much sense conceptually. It seems ridiculous to run natural gas pipelines everywhere when there is a limitless supply of heat under every house provided one drills down far enough. Hopefully the process can be simplified and costs can be reduced significantly.

Looks like there's a lot of opportunity to install geothermal heating systems.

Equally important: how much would said geothermal cost?

Geothermal is just too expensive. Just have a propane or diesel heater around for (hopefully rare) emergencies.

They quoted $50,000 to $90,000 for me. That would be quite some years' bills.

Near-surface geothermal seems a better investment, if you have room for it.


Sure, and they could shrug off the cost of installing a ground-source heat pump[1] too, which would be too expensive for more modest homes. But they'd again have to give a damn, which I am only semi-optimistic about...

1: https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/5-things-you-should-kno...


Most people should be using geothermal instead of air conditioners, but the upfront cost is much higher ($20-30K).

We should be subsidizing geothermal installations because of how damn efficient it is compared to trying to push heat into the air.


Aren't we at the point where most large scale infrastructure projects require huge outlays? Unless geothermal is an order of magnitude more expensive per MW or GWH than say nuclear, is it a point against it?

> They require more capital investment than solar or wind projects: $3,000 to $6,000 per kilowatt, compared with $1,700 to $2,100 per kilowatt for wind and solar. (However, a geothermal plant will produce between two and four times as much electricity as a wind or solar plant of the same capacity.)

Solar/wind: 1.7k - 2.1k / kW ? N

Geothermal: 3k - 6k / kW ? 2N - 4N

Looks like an investment no-brainer.


Aside from the obvious - better insulation - I think deep geothermal can be quite an eco-friendly way to heat homes in the near future.

I wish someone would setup neighborhood geothermal heat pumps as a heating utility or coop model. It's so expensive for everyone to bore into the ground for this.

We'll except the fact that deep geothermal plants are completely theoretic as a means of production - the final cost of power is a big ???.

Most people want cheap power. Anything over around 20 cents a kWh makes it uncompetitive to fossile equivalents (e.g. wood / oil / gas heating).


You may have missed the point of this article. The northeastern United States is very geologically stable, so any geothermal energy would have to come by going very, very deep underground. We don't have any hot springs around here. So even if this project works out and eliminates a lot of future carbon emissions, it will hardly be considered cheap.

I never understood why we don't do geothermal? I guess it's just more expensive to dig giant holes than do prettying energy sources?

Normally I agree with your assessments but I don't think you're right on this one. Presuming geothermal wells would have a >100 year lifespan with minimal upkeep the upfront costs may be very large but the long-term cost per/MW extracted would go close to zero because of the virtually non-existent marginal costs for operating geothermal wells.

Ignoring externalities created by using fossil fuels for heating (pollution, corruption, etc.), if this technique is sound it could be a more financially sensible decision than any alternative.


Gotta wonder if you could get funding for "Geothermal Offsets", to replace some of the Earth's sapped heat from geothermal power sources. You could possibly run such a system for free :D

Geothermal is great, where it’s available. According to the article you linked it’s still quite expensive, but coming down in price rapidly.
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