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nemetroid · 2022-01-21 10:54:45

The grandparent referenced Wayland-only distros, so I assumed your comment was about Xwayland. But your point is that there aren't any Wayland-only distros?

yjftsjthsd-h | karma 28510 | avg karma 2.78 · | 2023-07-09 20:37:25

Wayland is intended to be a successor, but remains behind in a nonzero number of cases, which is why most Linux distros do in fact ship both.

jmclnx | karma 4423 | avg karma 2.68 · | 2023-01-07 15:56:54

Yes, seems these days nothing exists but Linux. Almost like the old Microsoft days. Being on a BSD this annoys me. Seems this could be yet another thing that will prevent Wayland from running on anything but Linux on x86 type systems.

But I have no plans to ever use Wayland until they get Network Transparency anyway, so as far as I am concerned it is not a huge deal for me (yet). So I will annoy the developers :)

Yes, I do understand the Wayland people are working hard and I appreciate their work, but I wish they would make Wayland easily portable to other UN*X Systems.

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zamalek | karma 12746 | avg karma 2.86 · | 2020-05-21 22:08:28+00:00

> Explicitly excludes the following software: wayland

I find it curious that a distro espousing simplicity would choose XOrg over Wayland (which was created to resolve problems arising from unnecessary complexity in XOrg). It looks like this is 80% simplicity and 20% sentimentality. I don't use wayland myself, but simplicity is certainly not a factor in that decision.

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pera | karma 7814 | avg karma 6.5 · | 2023-12-14 12:19:41

It would be difficult if distros stop including an Xorg package, which is what many Wayland proponents are pushing for.

zests | karma 1106 | avg karma 3.21 · | 2020-05-21 22:30:06+00:00

Wayland strikes me as the "shiny new thing" that is not ready for widescale use. If I was designing a distro and could only choose one I would choose X unless it was specifically a distro for shiny things that break.

bbarnett | karma 5933 | avg karma 1.55 · | 2023-09-01 07:29:53

The point was made in the context of "Other Unixes". It has nothing to do with Linux users, on Linux distros, not having Wayland support. It has to do with Unix users, not having Wayland support.

Falmarri | karma 29 | avg karma 1.38 · | 2023-12-03 11:50:44

I think that's the issue. People use LTS distros running ancient software versions and declare Wayland sucks

rhabarba | karma 1734 | avg karma 2.79 · | 2023-12-20 08:46:38

Wayland won't work well on non-Linux systems, and this is intentional. So, for the foreseeable feature, it can't replace X because its developers don't care.

PlutoIsAPlanet | karma 1619 | avg karma 4.89 · | 2023-05-13 08:16:19

Xorg vs Wayland isn't a thing because Wayland is the replacement for Xorg.

xani_ | karma 1252 | avg karma 2.26 · | 2022-09-24 17:01:30

Well the distro push to use wayland isn't helping the case.

msla | karma 4817 | avg karma 1.28 · | 2019-11-25 14:02:46

My big problem with Wayland is that it doesn't look like it's going to support Window Maker as well as X does, if at all. Well, maybe I should rephrase: Wayland isn't going to be my problem until it supports Window Maker as well as X does, because I won't switch to it until that happens. I'm sure there are more than enough people like me to support a distro, like how there are non-systemd distros, the major appeal of which is that they don't use systemd.

headsoup | karma 1637 | avg karma 1.94 · | 2022-02-10 04:31:32

You just explained exactly what I assumed is going on. Great, Wayland has a bright extensible future, but right now it doesn't solve anything so special that common users (or distro owners) desire moving over, hence the low usage of Wayland.

Not a problem with Wayland, it's just as you say, not there yet.

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rcarmo | karma 26588 | avg karma 5.05 · | 2023-03-31 09:22:13

I suppose Wayland would be one of the reasons Linux is held up?

xbar | karma 2874 | avg karma 2.6 · | 2022-06-30 21:15:03

It sounds like you are supporting the author's claim that Wayland will never be a 1:1 replacement for xorg.

bitwize | karma 18323 | avg karma 1.63 · | 2024-04-03 07:58:42

Wayland is a protocol. Nothing intrinsic about Linux to it.

If the BSDs and Illumos are dragging their feet getting on board, that's the BSDs and Illumos' problem.

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wing-_-nuts | karma 4834 | avg karma 3.48 · | 2024-05-01 21:00:45

Most distros have made wayland available but have not forced a change, and will not until wayland's issues get fully sorted. This is a good thing, as wayland doesn't bring the user much from a user perspective, only pain when x, y, or z functionality that has existed for decades breaks.

imran-iq | karma 377 | avg karma 3.81 · | 2023-05-08 18:53:19

Except most major distros have been shipping with wayland as the default for a while now. X has been considered deprecated from a long while now (at least 2019) when all the devs went to go work on wayland

dingaling | karma 8000 | avg karma 2.45 · | 2013-09-09 06:15:13+00:00

> Gentoo and Archlinux also appear to have experimental support and plans to switch.

Indeed, but the problem with Wayland is that one can't just 'switch' from X. Wayland provides graphics multiplexing; that's it.

Possibly mangled analogy: it's like saying we're switching from a LAMP stack to Postgres; it doesn't make sense as a statement.

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peatmoss | karma 6470 | avg karma 3.69 · | 2022-06-18 10:25:40

I still find myself reflexively mistrustful of Wayland because there's no real multi-OS implementation. Apart from some Steam games, there's nothing tying me to Linux as opposed to e.g. OpenBSD.