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Creating a cartel is "bad for business"? Are you sure about that?


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As long as the right cartels are able to skim value, I could see this being successful regardless. Cartels are businesses at the end of the day- and they won't totally destroy an industry as long as it's making them money long term. The problems occur when smaller groups start fighting over access to the resources.

Isn’t a cartel more about illicit collusion (often outright illegal) rather than forming a public organisation to act collectively?

If that is so, why are cartels a thing?

It seems like a cartel can form without having a collective monopoly. It's the collusion that's problematic, not the combined percentage.

It is effectively a cartel

I don't know about this cartel specifically. I'm making an economic point about cartels generally.

That's hardly mutually exclusive with cartel behavior

Cartels are dynamically unstable. That doesn't mean they can't cause a net social loss during the period in which they are effective.

Would this be considered cartel behavior?

But how would you be able to form a cartel if everyone has a strong financial incentive to rat the others out?

I think you've got this wrong. Any firm that defects from the cartel will tend to gain market share at the expense of all the firms that remain in the cartel. Thus, its really the firms in that remain in the cartel that die. So the whole thing looks a lot like a Prisoner's Dilemma game played between the firms looking to cartelize.

Now, they might do things like sign contracts between each other to prevent defection, or buy each other's stock to make defection less profitable than profitable than playing along, but then you have to worry about disruption from outside the cartel. Or you could forcibly cartelize industries like FDR tried to do with the National Recovery Administration if the government really wants an industry to be profitable when it wouldn't otherwise be.

And when I think of successful cartels in history I think of DeBeers and OPEC and... well, those are the only two I could name that lasted longer than a few years.


The cost of creating and upholding a cartel is not zero at all. It can actually be quite high.

Correct, that is what a cartel is for

How legal are cartels?

it seems that cartels are sometimes very useful

cartel =/= free market.

Yes, which is why legalized cartels are one of the most heinous abuses of regulation that exist.

To be a cartel, you simply need to agree to limit supply to keep prices higher. So it sounds more like a cartel of survival rather than to make obscene profits.

Could you explain why they are cartels? I don't disagree (I say, for the benefit of my comments history); just looking for info.
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