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> Nobody is censored here

How do you know? This is about Spotify's intentions, do you know them? Do they follow orders from, or are they pressured by gov't(s)?

And what about the eps that were removed, do they show a pattern as to what could by Spotify reasons for removing them?



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> If the government openly pressures Spotify, that is government censorship, which is literally what just happened.

This is absolutely false on both counts.

First: at no point did the government pressure spotify to specifically take down content.

Second: answering a question asked to you about what you think about a current event would not constitute censorship anyways.


>Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech

Does Spotify market itself as those things?


> Spotify seems to be intensifying its efforts to combat fraud with actions that could leave the door open to censorship.

Unless the government is planning to get involved somehow, censorship is the wrong word. Even setting that aside, though, it's hard to understand what that sentence might mean. Best guess is that the author means Spotify would remove spam. I can't imagine any justification for using a word like censorship to describe an action like that.


First:

If the government openly pressures Spotify, that is government censorship, which is literally what just happened.

Second:

Because there isn’t a good alternative for distribution.

There really isn’t.

Because the press employs less people nationwide than any time since … who knows, before the 1950s.

We need good information. We need uncensored information and this includes misinformation. We need to hear opinions and points of view including contrarian, controversial, and fringe ones.

I got an something important out of that Alex Jones returns episode. No one else I know thought it had any value, but for whatever reason I saw value in it.

What is the uncensored alternative? Truly.

If cloudflare can shut down whoever they want, if social media shuts down whoever they want, what is the real solution?

If we don’t have an answer, we don’t have free speech, so talking about Spotify being a private company is true but it can’t be viewed in isolation.


> I wonder if we'll hear the "they're a private company, they can do what they want, it is only censorship if the government does it" routine.

Perhaps that applies, perhaps it doesn't. Did they remove the account due to pressure from the CCP?


> I thought because Netflix is a private company what they do isnt censorship.

I mean, if they do it at the behest of the government, it very definitely is?


> Are they clearly documenting how many times what content is being exactly censored why and then transparently publishing that to everyone ?

Yes, they do


> this is just a private company deciding who is and isn't allowed on their platform.

No, this actually is censorship because a government ordered that it be done.


> How could you say TPB didn't consider censorship?

They didn't say that. They say in the first sentence that TPB had to consider censorship


>No, it's free speech, not censorship.

There is no contraction. A call for censorship is allowed under freedom of speech.

I would never force spotify to platform anyone they don't want to. But I will criticize those who demand others blacklist.

Answer this: Was the Hollywood self-enforced blacklist of communists censorship?


> No one is being censored.

Umm, TalkRatio were censored.

> The government is not stopping these TalkRadio folks...

Right, Google is. That's what OP said when he wrote "find it a little worrying that a US tech company has the power to censor..."

It might be added, that they may well me acting on orders of the government, or a government organization.


> If we want to go down this route, then we could argue that every platform censors content. Hacker News censors content when it removes rule-breaking content.

Yes, that's true. But for most platforms, like Hacker News, that's not a concern, because they don't have that many users.

> The radio station down the road is censoring you because they won't play your music.

That's not really what censorship means, because the radio station only has limited time, and they have to choose what music to play. (This limit on time also creates competition: Since one radio station can't play everything, there will always be many different radio stations, they same isn't true for social networks.)


> there’s a goddamn paper trail of who asked for it and then the entity performed it

Wait, what? The government asked somebody to censor something and instead they made a copy of what was censored and made that available? If so, I'm totally fine with that and will make that my feed, but that's not how I read this - when the government asks for something to be censored, it's unavailable for anybody to see what it was or that it ever existed (that's the point of censorship after all).


> Only governments can censor.

Bit of a side issue, but that's an interesting statement, I've never heard that before. A quick google doesn't seem to back that up, so I wonder what I'm missing, or why you said that?


> I fail to see how this is censorship... They're not censoring content that you are able to access legitimately

Legitimately doesn't come into it.

    censorship
    noun
    "the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that
    are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security."

> it's a private company doing the censoring and there's no issue with that

That's certainly not a universally agreed upon perspective. Just because you're a private company doesn't mean you can do anything you want (eg. discrimination), hence the existence of regulations.


>> selective censorship by the platforms, which is their right as a private org

So, just because they are not government they are allowed to lie and manipulate? Because "selective censorship" is just this: manipulation.


> why is so much of the document censored?

The direct reason is that the responding agency, the FCC, asked the manufacturer and an undisclosed government agency what should be censored.


> it should not be decided by companies

I don't think it is. It's basically a covered up government imposed censorship.

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