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'Guilty until proven innocent' is the method applied by US immigration.

I remember applying for a visa for my wife and it said so in plain words.

The government is basically saying to you: 'prove that you are not a terrorist/spy/fraud'



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Isn't "innocent until proven guilty" a standard related to criminal punishment? This is merely denying someone entry to a country. That's quite a different outcome than a prison sentence.

'Innocent until proven guilty' means you don't get detained for six hours when you want to cancel your flight and go home.

So basically, guilty until proven innocent.

In other words, guilty until proven innocent.

Innocent until proven guilty. The adversarial justice system in the United States is here for all of our protection, including suspected terrorists.

Guilty until proven innocent...

"Welcome to America"


So, guilty until proven innocent?

So, guilty until proven innocent?

The full phrase is "presumed innocent until proven guilty". It's specifying how people should be treated by the legal system, not stating whether they are in fact innocent or not.

That sounds like another way of saying “guilty until proven innocent”.

Guilty until proven innocent, you mean?

Technically you're not a criminal until convicted, only suspected. Likewise, you're not a criminal if you've served your time. The US culture of "ex cons" is shameful.


My impression is that "innocent until proven guilty" is what Europe does, and that's what many want the US to switch to.

edit: Oops, I typed that backwards, I meant to say "guilty until proven innocent".


Guilty until proven innocent?

Guilty until proven innocent?

Guilty until proven innocent?

Guilty until proven innocent?

I think you meant 'we assume innocence until proven guilty'

>When the extradition process is started, it is because the relevant authorities have already decided the individual is guilty.

So, what is the right approach? Start the extradition process when you don't believe the individual is guilty? I would hope not. Taking action to bring someone to trial because you believe they are guilty is entirely different from the claim that in the US you are now "guilty until proven innocent".

Presumption of innocence means that the burden of proof is on the prosecution in the trial. It does not mean that the prosecution is required to not believe themselves that the individual is guilty.


Innocent until proven guilty, etc.
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