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I’m not criticizing the political parties for keeping the fake campaign going. A clever trick on their part.

I’m criticizing the press for not calling the winner.

In most elections, the press takes their duty of calling the winner very, very seriously. Almost like it’s a constitutional role.

And yet when it would have mattered, they decided not to.



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Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m not saying this one instance proves the whole election is fraud.

I am saying the that this (actually pretty significant) correction to the results being ignored proves that the media has no interest in being honest.


If you can rig the media you don't need to directly rig the election.

Reminding people that there’s an election is not taking sides. It’s certainly not an instance of “vote manipulation”. I’m not commenting on the broader issue, just this specific claim, which is bonkers.

The entire purpose of a campaign is to manipulate the outcome of an election. A rally manipulates the outcome, as does a debate. As does a news article that raises question about one of the candidate's integrity.

True. I am not disputing there aren't any efforts to manipulate voters. I would be surprised if there were not. But the relevancy that the media tried to transport just wasn't adequate.

I genuinely believe that many just have been played, but that could have been mitigated by providing at least a somewhat believable perspective.


Nobody is implying that when ‘our side loses’ the results are not legitimate. That’s a weird thing to say.

I’n not on a side on this issue.

However it’s also obvious that running for office isn’t free and that often elections are decided on the basis of who can buy the most publicity.

A random person standing against petrochemical interests is clearly at a massive disadvantage.


This is an instance where imprecision in language is being weaponised for talking points. There are always many small errors and fraud in any large election. I don't think anyone would dispute this. And it is tolerable because the error is unlikely to be statistically significant.

The question is whether there is large scale, organised electoral fraud. Of that there's precisely zero evidence.

So when the “mainstream” media says “there is no fraud”, they're talking about organised fraud, not small counting errors and individual voter misconduct.


A concerted attempt to manipulate the election is a matter of fact. The impact is often exaggerated, but that they tried to is not really in dispute.

That is not election fraud.

The editorial already points that out.

I think the real issue here is people are being blasted with some misleadingly official-looking "Election Over! X totally and indisputably Wins!" news, the day before a big set of elections.


You must also find it massively irresponsible for Trump to state he won the election as early as Wednesday morning.

Fortunately, his statements, like those of the media, aren’t how the winner is determined. Rather, all the votes are counted and then certified. The media waits until the unofficial counts are outside of the reach of recounts. Trump’s legal challenges are contradictory: he’s arguing to continue counting in states where he is behind and stop counting in states where he is ahead. It doesn’t work that way.

After 2000, the media has been very conservative in waiting to call elections. In any case, they’ve twice miscalled a presidential election but it didn’t impact the ultimate winner, because at the end of the day, we follow the rule of law.


Pundits questioning the electoral process is not the same as politicians actively trying to overturn election results.

I was teasing, too. There is no real evidence of a significant pattern of voter fraud. The outcry is just part of a media campaign by right-wing organizations to justify legal measures intended to suppress voter turnout among Democratic constituencies.

Yep. I don't care what the reasoning behind the scenes is. I care that a candidate got bamboozled.

Doesn't need to be intentional, the fact that when the mistake was shown after the fact, the best they could do is invalidate tens of thousands of votes, which very likely were for one candidate, shows how the win was stolen from him.

Please don't spread fake news about primary rigging, even if tongue-in-cheek. Stick to discussing the article.

Perhaps if Congress and media actually addressed voting fraud concerns rather than pretending that our elections magically became perfect now that a Democrat won something, then no one would have shown up.

But as it is, it's unclear who won the election without fraud.


They didn't tell millions of people that the election had been outright stolen. Not even in 2016 when it pretty much was.

It's no more "voting manipulation" than get-out-the-vote campaigns, sending out advertisements, or political campaigns in general.
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