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right-wing is in love with putin. Trump openly praised putin. MTG openly criticized Biden for sending help to Ukraine. Right-wing lunatics DREAM about turning the USA to the oppressive state similar to putin's regime.

Putin in love with right-wing. Russian propaganda shows fox news on the state TV. Why didn't putin invade Ukraine when trump was the president? John Bolton says that's because Trump was a useful idiot for Putin and that's so true. Trump did a lot to weaken NATO. Right-wing means WEAK America. And putin looves it.



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I didn't say that Putin is Right Wing although he has all the markings of a Right Wing authoritarian. What I want to understand is our Right Wing's infatuation with Putin.

That's nice but it doesn't explain our Right Wing's infatuation with Putin.

Obviously, a complicated subject but I'll try to summarize as best I can:

## tl;dr

Putin is trying to create a symbol to the Russian people of the strength and unity of the Russian people as things get worse in the global economy.

While at the same time he's trying to get more secure borders as Russia becomes weaker due to its demographic problems.

## Slightly longer explanation

- Putin feels like Ukraine is part of Russia, similar to how China feels about Taiwan but with much more historical backing. (see note 1).

- Ukraine almost joined the EU and when the president stopped it the US and EU supported revolts in the country that saw him ousted from power. Imagine if Russia and Canada almost joined in a union together and when Trudeau vetoed it Russia ran an intelligence operation that saw him removed from office. The US would probably be pretty nervous about what's going on in their border.

- Russia's population demographic situation means that they are likely to see widespread societal collapse in the next ~20 years if they don't do anything. (see note 2).

- Russia's current geography is indefensible if the West wants to attack it since Ukraine is essentially the front door to Moscow.

- Covid, internal struggles, and tensions between the US and China mean that the focus of the US is elsewhere.

- Putin likely sees Biden as the president least likely to have a strong response to aggression.

- Contrary to popular opinion the winter is when you want to attack in eastern Europe (it's the spring and the fall that kills you).

- Crimea is a warm water seaport which is viewed as an important economic and military asset for Russia, but Ukraine has been cutting off their water supplies since the initial invasion 6 years ago.

## Notes

1 - Why some people might claim Russia is part of Ukraine:

Both Russia and Ukraine started their history in the same place: the historical Kievan/Rus nation. In which the Vikings rules over the local Slavic population.

However, this nation collapsed into fighting princelings and then was combined into two board regions: the western portion was absorbed by Poland/Lithuania while the eastern section was conquered by the Mongols.

This split was right down the middle of modern Ukraine.

The Mongols ruled over their lands brutally - pushing everyone into poverty, tearing down their preexisting identity, and setting up an authoritarian government structure.

In turn the people in this region developed a culture of unbelieve stoicism, unity, and grit in order to survive the Mongols.

While those under Lithuania were heavily influenced by European Catholicism during the same time.

When it was eventually reunited Ukraine became the bridge between these two worlds. In the west, half in the east.

For the next several hundred years Ukraine was both part of Russia but also occasionally rebelling if they ever drifted too close to them.

2 - Why Russia's demographics mean they're screwed

Look up the Russian population pyramid.

Basically, birth rates declined throughout the Soviet Union's history, except for a slight bump during the perestroika era.

This, combined with shortening lifespans in Russia has led to population loss in the 00s before that brief perestrokia boom echo'ed and Russia's population froze in place for the 10s.

Now we're at a peak.

Russia will see their population halve in the next few decades.

And the only people having large numbers of children in Russia right now are their Muslim minority groups.

This means the ethnic Slavs are feeling in a very real way their culture being displaced.


Putin loves, and supports, the right wing nationalists, and they love him back. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/pu...

I don’t get it, trump enables and worships Putin. Isn’t that a problem? The previous administrations of both parties, would have put sanctions and hurt them a little. Atleast they didn’t enable and worship the guy. This is what gives Putin strength and also weakens Europe's resolve at anything strict. Even if the US does nothing, previously it was known that it will always stand on the right side of the issue until now.

"Granted that stupidity doesn't work outside of Russia. Unfortunately inside Russia it is a hit (together with "Ukraine making biological and chemical weapons to attack Russia")"

I know a few right wingers in the US who believe this too. They think Putin is a good guy who is cleaning up Ukraine.


right-wingers including, it is claimed, Putin.

Seems like a wonderful regime according to Tucker Carlson, Heritage Foundation and MAGA Republicans. Putin is a true conservative, champion of liberty, to them.

Trump speaks well of Putin, so the right-wing commentators also speak well of Putin. They also feel he was maligned unfairly by the Steele Dossier Russia stuff, so to "own the libs" as revenge they embrace the dictator Putin.

It's pretty clear to me that Trump is the ideal Putin-like character. He just took out an entire political party like it was nothing. When he destroyed Jeb Bush with almost no effort, I was convinced that he would win the presidency, easily. My liberal friends thought I was crazy. But, at this point, there's nothing that can be done but enjoy the ride.

The US is an economic and military superpower that has been ripe for the taking for decades. It has a weak, fractured, and anemic culture and political environment. And, while internally its citizens bicker about the edge cases of wedge issues, it has been easy to inject Trojan horses and more political instability.


There are many, many reasons. Trump promised to be extra soft on Russia re:NATO, re:Ukraine, etc. His single contribution to the GOP platform was to soften the GOP's position on Ukraine. Some of his staff were also Russian clients. He's also expressed open admiration of Putin and Putin's style of governance, and emphasized that he wants the US to get along with Russia. His son secretly met with Russian reps before the election to discuss US policy in Syria and elsewhere. A Trump win would give Russia tremendously greater influence over Europe. Given Putin's open assistance to Trump in the election Trump would owe Putin favors, and it's likely one of the favors Russia would pursue wold be lightening the massive sanctions Clinton imposed on Trump. Trump's also incredibly easily manipulated which certainly serves Russia's interests.

A decent chunk of the right isn’t naive. They want Putin to win because he’s a traditionalist and they love strong man rulers.

There are people out there who are weirdly pro-russia. Oliver Stone was gassing Putin up for years, defending his actions such as his anti-gay legislation. The Putin documentary he created was nothing short of a hagiography.

The ostensible reasons would be he wants to stick it to America or that he likes the attention his contrarian opinions give him (which is much less in our transgressive age). Maybe some people naturally gravitate to authoritarians. One interesting fact though is that his son worked at RT.

It’s all deeply weird to me. I try to grapple with it intellectually but it’s beyond my comprehension. If you are someone who truly believes America is irredeemable, why wouldn’t you esteem more peace loving nations over countries with overt expansionist intentions?


Thanks for clarifying, I'm not an American, and I was not aware Trump is openly pro-Putin. This is quite concerning, do you mind clarifying what openly or transparently pro-Putin policy positions he takes?

Putin's political opponents have a tendency to be killed or jailed. He has invaded another country (Ukraine) for no good reason. He is an evil man.

So wait, you think Putin could have easily taken Ukraine with no resistance from the US for 4 years under Trump, but instead Putin decided to wait until Trump was gone and Biden was President knowing he would get massive resistance across the board?

So Putin intentionally made things 1000x harder on himself...because reasons? I understand being blinded by Trump hatred, but how do you logically make that sort of conclusion? You have to know that makes zero sense, right?


There are lots of strongly pro-Russian politicians and members of the media in the United States too. If Putin is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to the far right in Europe, why in the world would anyone believe the same isn't happening in the United States?

How many of us in America actually know what Putin's real policy positions are? All we hear about him out here is that he's a scary bad guy.

I think it'd be really interesting to see a neutral comparison of Clinton-Trump-Putin policy positions. IMO, it's not self-evident that Trump, a free market capitalist, would be closer to Putin, a former Soviet operative. I also don't think it's implicit that Putin's policy positions are automatically worth avoiding just because he's associated with them.

Also, even if Trump and Putin have similar beliefs, wouldn't Putin have an interest in putting in the person that is less like him? It seems that Putin's interest would be in a weak United States, which would give Russia more room to re-emerge as a world power. In this case, based on his belief that his policy positions are conducive to the health of a country, Putin would want a dissimilar leader to run the US.


Don’t underestimate Putin’s ability to convince the Russian public that this is all the West’s fault. It’s kind of been their (my former) country’s greatest trick.

I know many USSR immigrants here in the states who once despised anything to do with Putin and his ilk, are now buying into Putin’s rhetoric. It’s really weird to see.

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