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> Ok, I need to call this out. Unless I missed something, there's nothing to suggest that the person involved is an overseas resident.

Just based on the picture I'd be pretty confident she is. I find it fairly easy to pick out young people from Asia who are recent immigrants based on their dress and hairstyles.



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> Foster daughter had brown skin, so she was randomly stopped by police and asked for ID because she looks like an immigrant.

This conclusion isn't quite there.

In China, foreigners are notionally required to carry their passport with them. I have never actually obeyed that, because it is a very bad idea. And it's never mattered, because although I'm obligated to produce it on demand, that demand has never been made.

It's not because I blend in. Any idiot can see that I'm not Chinese. "Looking like an immigrant" is not sufficient to be stopped by the police.


> Why do you assume my dad was an immigrant.

For whatever it's worth, I detected no assumption that your father was an immigrant in the OP. It's worth dwelling on the possibility that no such assumption is needed.


> So what’s the problem with that?

It's not a problem, in the sense that I realise there is no malice; on the other hand, it's a problem in the sense that after many years living in a country, having acquired citizenship and having built a family here, I would like to think you are part of the community.

Constantly being reminded that I am never really going to progress past the status of outsider can be really bothersome.

How long have you been living in Singapore? Things start to change after a few years in my opinion.

EDIT: I just wanted to point out that the positive aspects of migrating to a new country, in my case, still greatly outweigh the negative aspects such as the one described above. Also, I am lucky because the cultural differences between my native country (Italy) and my adoptive one (Australia) are relatively minor.


> Indeed. This is about residence not about nationality.

The two are so correlated that they might as well be the same, and it strikes me as dishonest to make the distinction.


>By your comment, they are therefore not immigrants, they are spearhead colonizers.

No, obviously they aren't colonizers. These conversations are typically low quality enough without purposely misrepresenting terms.


> Which person are you referring to as an immigrant? I haven't found anything suggesting Pierre is an immigrant yet.

Pierre. That's because you didn't look hard enough, I guess?

https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2015/06/16/ncino-ceo-we...


> and not a damn one did.

Since the Patriot Act and other changes in the early 2000s, your nationality is henceforth Sticky if you live in the US.

My sister expatriated last year (to UK, actually) from US, and she had to hire an immigration attorney, go through interrogations (from both destination and comefrom), and actually got sent back to the US once they found accidentally conflicting stories from her friends who currently live in the UK.

I'd never make fun of people who express desire to leave. Not everyone has the same circumstances as you.


> what's an expat anyways

A white immigrant.


> What the hell is a chinese person going to do coming to australia and farming

Met 2 Chinese guys from China in a hostel in Melbourne who could speak little, they said there going to work on a farm somewhere in rural Aus and lot of other other people from their village where working there.

I didnt ask if they were working legally or not.


> By what possible rationale could you say that recent immigration has anything to do with this

I didn't say it was recent immigration that caused this incident, we both know that (if they are 2nd generation, it couldn't be recent).

> other than that they're Muslim

You think that their religion has absolutely nothing to do with this? I mean, even unjust prejudice within their host country because of their religion could easily cause social isolation and economic disadvantage leading to anger - that seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me and largely places the ultimate blame on the host country.


> The logic behind labeling digital nomads as illegal immigrants completely eludes me. I genuinely don't understand why you would make that assumption.

Close to 100% of them are on tourist visas and are explicitly not allowed to work in the country. What else do you think an illegal immigrant is?


> It happens everywhere, from the developed countries to the far east.

It can happen everywhere, but I don't think it is frequent. I travel fairly frequently and I've never had it happen to me, or seen it happen to anyone around me, or personally know anyone it has happened to.

It's true it happens, and you do read about it on the internet. But I think in every case I've read the person was already being questioned by immigration at a heightened level when it occurred.


>represent me as an expat.

Immigrant is not a dirty word


> Everyone knows someone with a story about some horrible entry into the US.

Everyone knows someone who has a friend who knew the guy who tried to dry his poodle in the microwave.

I'm not saying that Immigration and/or Homeland Security is great, but the rumor-mongering is unjustified.

> the problem is that it can happen at all and they're not screw-ups, it's policy.

And you know this because....

> I am an Australian citizen from birth

Ah, Australia. I know a Stanford CS PhD student who was put through hell by the Australian equivalent of US Immigration/Homeland Security because she wanted to visit a guy who she met while he was in the US. They were concerned that she might want to stay, contaminate the gene pool, or somesuch. (She's pretty and white, so they weren't applying any sort of appearance standard.)

Really. I actually know her. And, you should have paid her to emmigrate because she is seriously talented. And yes, she was seriously pissed.

Nevertheless, I don't get hysterical about it. I'm looking forward to diving the Great Barrier Reef in a couple of years.

> If I want to enter the US I face being photographed and my fingerprints taken like a common criminal.

I don't know how things are in Australia, but we can't identify criminals and the like without actually checking. (For some reason, they don't mention that in their visa application.)

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't try?


> all those immigrants (me included) think westerners are crazy for being so child-hostile.

Westerners in general isn't child-hostile, even if US labor practices are, and many of those immigrants -- including the Hispanic ones -- are Westerners themselves.


> Does it seem weird to anyone else that a foreigner would say this? Surely someone else living there would understand their own situation better.

Yeah, it should be phrased as a welcome (e.g. come here, we want to take you), not a warning (flee now).


> Interestingly you've left it somewhat ambiguous as to whether you view these immigrants as morally upright while being somewhat naughty.

I thought my post was unambiguous. Powerful, successful people (like pg and sama) clearly don't believe the rules apply to them.


> My girlfriend accidentally moved from the UK to California because when her parents paid for her to visit, she didn’t have enough money saved up to come back afterwards.

That sounds a lot like an immigration violation, if she wasn't a US citizen to start with.


> I was born to expat parents

Do you mean your parents were immigrants? Because that's what they were. Expat is the most pretentious colonialist term I can think of.

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