Hacker Read top | best | new | newcomments | leaders | about | bookmarklet login

Everywhere else with more reasonable tax and zoning laws. I'm amazed that Californians vote this nonsense onto themselves and then are astonished that nobody else does.


sort by: page size:

A Californian law that is inefficient and restrictive? No surprise there.

California has been extremely fortunate with major economic forces driving their economy for decades, but paired with ineffective governance to this beautiful state, is incredibly disappointing. No pity for CA though, a lot of their voters over the years enabled this


Even in CA this has no chance of passing, right? I mean they couldn't even pass the mass transit zoning changes. CA may be relatively liberal but I don't think it has the appetite for this level of increased taxation and spending.

It seems this is the effect of some law Californians voted for, so they want it.

It would be a shame for the citizens of CA to move somewhere else and vote the same thing there.


That's California for you, stupid policies that feel good but make no sense.

The thing is CA has a system where legislation can be passed by popular vote. This has it's up and down sides, but anything can pass in CA with enough public support.

What an absurd and completely unenforceable idea. Its almost like California is intentionally trying to throw away their economic blessings…

California's whole proposition system is stupid in general.

I live in California and I think the state government does things that make it better and worse at the same time. Look many many laws that we take for granted origin from California. For example, SF was the first city to start granting marriage licenses to LGBT couples. Now most states follow that rule. CA was first to implement mileage requirements. Now many states follow that rule. CA was first to subsidize clean air vehicles. Now it is common across the nation. CA was ahead with medical marijuana and recognizing the role of marijuana as recreational. So it seems like government is making it worse, CA legislature is always pushing the limits and seems worse because it is the first one to do so. I bet that there will be some middle ground in the gig economy due to this law, which will become the model for the rest of the country.

That said, this particular bill is pretty bad


Irony here is that the law you’re referring to was a proposition passed by a ballot initiative. One of the many issues with California‘a government is that the state legislature is hamstrung by laws and regulations that passed by popular vote through the state’s proposition system. On some things this is fine, but it limits how taxes can be raised and what needs to be funded. Sales tax is fine by middle class homeowners, but property tax is a third rail. So we end up with a massively regressive tax system. Or the time when the state legalized gay marriage and then the voters decided that it should be banned. This is to say nothing about things like three strikes and victim’s rights laws that sound good as a single item but considered holistically are a serious problem that the legislature cannot do anything to change.

To be fair, a lot of the housing issues in California stem from local ordinances and voter passed propositions rather than legislatively passed state laws.

Endlessly frustrating to imagine how incredible life in California would be under that. Instead we've got Prop 13 which is the polar opposite

It sounds like this proposition was passed by California voters, just like the rest of them?

Why do you claim that anything else is the case?


I still find it wild that the CA state legislature is arguably the most progressive state legislature in the country... until someone wants to build some apartments.

Because California allows direct democracy for their ballot proposition process and people will ultimately just vote for policies that are maximally destructive as long as it reduces their local costs.

Before I lived in California, I probably would have agreed with you. However, ballot propositions in CA have been a mess.

Maybe California is too large of a community, but (as a general rule) larger entities will devour smaller entities when allowed to do so.


I know little of California politics. How do these propositions work / not work ? 60% voted yes, 7M people. For a yes/no vote like this, what’s even the point of holding such a referendum if its result is not guaranteed to be implemented? Apparently it complied with federal law, but was held back because of… I don’t really understand what, but feels undemocratic for the result to be just ignored.

whats the point of voting? Almost 60% of Californians supported this measure.

The ballot initiative system is a major part of why California is such a dysfunctional shithole. Let's please not bring that godawful mess anywhere else.

That hasn't worked super well in California, from many accounts.
next

Legal | privacy