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This is almost the perfect poster child for big upfront launch mandated by egotistical senior product people.

CNN+ could have been launched like a startup using Lean Startup/agility:

1. Take a third party streaming technology and create a simple solution and launch for free and see how many people start using it from friends and family. If lots then improve, if not then cancel and save a fortune.

2. If growth continues then launch to existing subscribers for free for 12 months, if not then cancel the project and save a fortune. Review how many people start using it over a longer time frame.

3. If growth continues launch as-is to everyone for free for 12 months and if not, cancel and save a fortune.

4. If growth continues introduce a cheap model after 12 months to entrap people and build out a better solution. If not cancel and save a fortune.

Cancelling and saving a fortune should be celebrated like success.

Instead a Senior Product person at CNN will have either jumped ship already or will jump ship soon to another senior role somewhere else with "launching a flagship online streaming platform" on their CV.

A lot of product people think they are Steve Jobs and shouldn't be questioned about their vision by the tech people. Only one was but a lot of companies still get hoodwinked by a charming Product person who paints a blue sky picture of possibility and the large scary threat of competitors.



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From what i heard of people who were at CNN when it was a startup, definitely so.

Going from a seed stage startup to a feature on 10 million TVs in less than a year sounds fun. Only downside is you aren't going to build your own billion dollar business with this model.

"people yell at their TVs"

That era ended a long time ago; nobody on a percentage basis watches legacy media any more, almost everyone clicked off. The microscopic fraction of the population who still watch, actually LIKE the five permitted media stories. So changing what's produced would be very risky; might lose the very last few viewers, might not gain any return viewers.

The author is trying to do "startup strategy" in an industry that's in "shutdown mode", that's a tough one.


"show most startup founders will refuse to watch"

Hah! Anecdotally, I've had the opposite experience watching the show and running a startup in the valley. Most of my co-founder friends have seen it and see it as a sort of catharsis.

"We aren't the only ones, this happens to everyone, so much so, there's a show about it"

And then there's the inspirational, "Let's have the team coalesce around a deadline and jam out something that's never been done before", episodes. Also very real.


Yeah, I think it was pretty obvious, which is why in retrospect it seems stupid that we weren't pursuing it in the beginning. But I distinctly remember that after launch we debated which direction we should go (options included becoming a live (or not live) video cdn, the live platform, or trying to spin off multiple shows that we produced ourselves).

We were talking about mass hardware production to support shows that we directly produced or contracted.

To be honest, I wish that I was able to go back and tweak our execution: if the Justin.tv show was just a stunt, I would have had a platform ready to go when we launched it instead of waiting six months to build it!!


I am curious - do any of you watch this show on NBC? I watched the very first season years ago and it is terrible now. I thought the first season had some good entrepreneurial lessons. Perhaps this is an idea for someone to create a show that has some merit - broadcast competition among startups :)

Thats truly fascinating, makes one wonder if other networks will jump into the act once ABC has their first home run.

What worries me though is its only a matter of time until someone figures out they can do this with a startup reality show. If you think the prospect of a silicon valley reality show is bad now (glorifying the supposed "startup lifestyle", launch parties, founder drama, etc.) just wait until the network has a significant stake in the startups that they are promoting...


For a mainstream TV show/station, I'm not sure I entirely agree. What would be more exciting to watch, web/tech with thousands of faceless customers they would likely not interact with outside of email/twitter for at least a year... or tangible product & biz development that a mass audience can see, understand, and relate to easily?

I think web/tech is more exciting to live and build for the intellectual types, but much like computer gaming, it's just not meant to be a spectator event. 90% of footage would be pale faces behind a glowing computer screen, where as retail is a lot about vendor selection, sales and deal making.

That said, I think you could replace those products with anything — what's interesting is watching them overcome challenges in their respective industries. Who knows, could learn a thing or two. :) Some startups need to stick their neck out of the bubble once in a while and breath something different... Perhaps there wouldn't be less me-too-point-oh.


I hope I can get my boss to watch this. He also has 'it' and has built a little TV show around the concept of entertaining (not just the food, but the party planning etc.). Thank you so much for posting this.

I have bent over backward to try to stoke his interest in new/social media, but he wants to make the expensive-looking TV show with big-ticket sponsors first and collect money off it later. Nobody wants to cough up tens of thousands to sponsor a media brand that hasn't quite gotten off the ground. If he would give me a free hand and go the Vaynerchuk route I could make this work for him easily. Instead he's wedded to a financially top-heavy business model which combines the worst of all worlds.

He was an innovator back in the 90s of things like diet informercials but he just does not get the idea of audience-building on the internet and is avowedly technophobic. You would laugh/cry if I told you how this plays out day-by-day.

I know it's kind of antithetical to 'hacker news', but does anyone else have experience of dragging an unwilling boss or co-worker into a modern paradigm? How did you get them to let go of the anchor that was visibly sinking the venture?


There's another reason why justin.tv was a bad idea and that is, far from being a new form of entertainment, lifecasting had already been done to death by the time it came on the scene. There were even two major Hollywood movies built around the idea. And predictably, justin.tv in its original form did fail, but in the process opened up a new opportunity based more on a 'long tail' strategy.

This is a great example of how funding and connections are more important than a good idea. It gives you the luxury of changing direction if something doesn't work. And ultimately, the proximate cause of every business failure is running out of money. The lesson here is to gain the trust of wealthy patrons who are willing to give you a $50K check just to see how you fail.


Startups don't last long so it'd be pretty fitting for a show about them to only last a season or two.

HBO's Silicon Valley did something similar 7 years ago: https://youtu.be/9YOEEpWAXgU

Interesting commentary but not factually accurate, Ustream actually was ahead of JTV in its launch. JTV has found a comfortableniche in lifecasting which was never Ustream's business model. Virtually every feature found on live video sites was a response to Ustreams features. You only assume the founder were inexperienced because you havent really delved into their history, try again..

How hard is it to create a startup when you have all the premium content on TV at your disposal?

Gee, why didn't I think of that? I'll just feature my internet startup on the nationwide cable show that I co-host!

> Pretty soon we'll have a raft of reality TV shows dogging our every move, and providing income to those of us who have fallen from the grace of the techno A-list.

It's already started.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/04/reality-tv-gets-startup-obs...


WeWork tried that. It was called WeLive. It flopped.[1]

[1] https://therealdeal.com/2020/06/08/wework-may-abandon-welive...


If we started out with a Netflix like video hosting platform and then someone launches a live, continuously running, and a curated-list-of-shows platform, everyone would consider that as a mind-blowing "innovation". I guess some people do want to watch live-tv, simplifies the question of "what to watch next".

If you want a semi-realistic startup reality tv show to watch right now, try TechStars on Bloomberg Tv: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/75400336/ or Start-Up Junkies: http://www.hulu.com/start-up-junkies
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