Well, despite how obvious it is to you, you totally failed to convince me.
Home country in danger? "Fuck it, I'll just flee. After all, it's only me, me, me that matters"
Yes, and? Nationalism is the problem, not the solution. Oh, I understand the reasons articulated by the evolutionary psychologists for why humans are cliquish and tribal, and that all makes perfect sense. But we have the capacity for logic and higher order reasoning and we can transcend primal instincts like that if we want. And I think we should.
Seconded. Nationalism is just outdated tribalism that requires you to put your societal overlords' agendas above your own. When they call for you to go to war and kill your brothers and sisters from different places, you do it. When they ask you to give them the fruits of your labor so they can fund their war games and send your children to die in trenches while shifting wealth from the poor to the already wealthy, you do it. They feed you intellectual manure and try to appeal to your monkey brain to accept them as your tribal leaders and unconditionally pledge your allegiance to them and their purposes. And if you're big enough a fool, you do it (most people are).
Nationalism needs to go. There is absolutely nothing honorable in it. It just creates an artificial divide between the peoples of this planet. It all stems from a time when tribalism was needed to survive, and as it happens, evolution optimizes for local problems on the evolutionary curve and some of these features never go away.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying we shouldn't cherish our cultural differences. On the contrary, I believe diversity is a wonderful thing and I find it fascinating that nearly every group of people out there has devised their own ways of communication, worship etc. Just don't let that devolve into "we are better than them", as it usually happens.
The concept of nationalism has brought more pain than joy to millions of humans on this planet. Seems to be better for global peace to forget it and train your mind to not think in these political categories of "nations".
You've broken the HN guidelines repeatedly in this thread by engaging in nationalistic flamewar. Please don't do that again.
This is an international environment and the last thing we need is people sniping at each other's nations for either internecine or xenophobic reasons. When feeling activated, we all must take care to remain respectful. (Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14669197.)
Meanwhile all you people stoking nationalist fervor keep the global population of generally-well-meaning humans divided and hating each other instead of uniting into a whole that demands a better life for everyone. Please stop.
The problem is when you let your shields down and unfriendly nations that DO believe in nationalism decide to take advantage of you. Similar to the whole "no one wants to be the second to last guy to get rid of all their nuclear weapons" thing.
Thank you. Sorry to have confused matters with the usual right wing nationalist associations. My intention was to highlight how the ideas and beliefs of nation and people (or tribe/group identity) towards unification have been challenged in modern times. For the better I might add in that it increases peace.
And yes I have left my 5-eyes birth nation, and abandoned any and all ties to nationalist mental disease, over this particular issue. You should, too.
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