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Because Ukraine was/is in a state of Civil War.


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Because Ukraine is in the EU? I don't know, you tell me.

It's probably due to /r/UkrainianConflict/

It's a civil war because a lot of Ukrainians speaks Russian and want a "Russian" Ukraine.

Ukrainian civil war started by a trump style coup of a democratically elected president in Kiev who was elected largely because he was very popular in the East and South of Ukraine.

Western propaganda pretends that the East and South of Ukraine had zero agency or will to decide its own future. This is why they called the crimean referendum a sham despite trustworthy western polls validating painfully clearly that it was accurate.

The Minsk agreements gave limited independence to the Donbass. Apparently the regimes in Kiev couldn't handle that which is why they signed the agreements and then broke them.


And that's a problem for Ukraine because?

They stopped pretending they are trying to demilitarize or de-nazify Ukraine. They just want to kill all of us just like they tried over the last century.

Yeah, I know. I'm a Ukrainian and I don't get it either. Just why.


That's one of the reasons for the civil war in Ukraine, an attempt(successful) to dismantle the left-over military industrial complex in Eastern Ukraine that was inherited from Soviet Union (competes with US's military industrial complex). They didn't want to do it peacefully(The EU-Ukraine association pact required shutting down these factories) , Yanukovich refused(his support base came from the East) now all of it lies in ruins (thanks to the US installed junta)

There was a civil war all over the place. The "ukrainian" part is well documented by Bulgakov, for example.

Not going to argue.


Dunno but Ukraine isn't.

Because the country is called Ukraine not The Ukraine. You wouldn’t say The Germany, would you?

ukraine does thing that makes sense... ok? why is this on HN

My assumption would be because Ukraine "was last".

Actually, Ukraine was forcing an ethnic, language and religious cleansing on its people in the two regions that petitioned for sovereignty. Read about this several years ago before all this stuff blew up and propaganda made stuff murky. Their current leader was put in place by a coup. The old regime was corrupt but that doesn't mean the new one is better. Ukrain was already in a civil war.

It's a video from 2015, Ukraine has been in a war since then. I would say it's not relevant that much now. A lot of people reconsidered their relation to Russia.

I'm Ukrainian. I lived in Kiev, Dnipro, Odessa and Kharkiv.


Hardly surprising, as Ukraine has historical reasons to distrust Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Last civil conflict in Russia was the second Chechen war.

By all definitions it's Ukraine in the state of civil war, not Russia. More than 90% of Donbas rebels are Ukrainian citizens. Russia of course supports the pro-Russian side in this conflict, but foreign interference during civil wars is so common, you could call it a rule.

And even outside the war zone you can see a strong polarization in Ukrainian society (just look at the recent news about an attempted murder of an opposition party member by far-right nationalists), with nothing comparable in Russia.


Coup is because of gray war by Russia.

Ukraine didn't want to be involved with soviet mentality.

Source: literal refugee friends from Ukraine.


Russia obviously had been interfering in Ukraine politics. Why do you think the president fled to Russia?

Ukraine even at that point had long wanted to escape Russia's malign influence, banning their language is a declaration of that desire.


Because if you watched Putin speech, he said Ukraine is not a different country from Russia.
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