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I agree. Each one of them is taking actions to self-determine their future. Ethical right and wrong are orthogonal to the issue of self determination.


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Morally, they have the right to decide who they want to associate with.

They are meeting their moral obligation.

Yes, there is a moral obligation to do the right thing.

Such is the nature of "doing the right thing" - it must be a free will choice. This is not a matter of law, but a matter of maturity of society.

It's wise to do what's morally right, regardless of the consequences.

This is a moral issue as well as a legal issue.

Even though it is my opinion, I don't agree that it's morally bankrupt to think otherwise. Agreeing on values is one of the hardest things to achieve.

Some people have a collectivist leaning, others an individualist leaning (and this can depend on a per-issue basis even within the same individual).

Some people think the morally correct goal is to save as many lives as possible in the short term, while others think individual autonomy and personal choice is more important. Some are in the middle, putting the threshold slightly lower or higher in either direction.

You and me simply lean more towards favoring personal autonomy and choice, at least on this issue apparently.

Luckily, our societies have evolved diplomatic methods to solve these conflicts of values, through the democratic process and pre-agreed on laws. Instead of going to useless war or leaning on force, we put the elected officials in charge of the decision on the effective policies, and each one looked at the tradeoffs, looked at their constituency, looked at the limited data available, and made a decision.


What's the moral dilemma here? Who's being harmed? And who is responsible?

Oh, and if you're wondering about the moral case, I think it's pretty clear. When we the people set out to do something together, deciding to evade our joint decisions and mechanisms for self-regulation is an antisocial, antidemocratic act.

I guess you are right. It's ethically wrong but not morally wrong.

Can you address my arguments? My post is based on the ethical principles of dignity and self-determination.

Are they really in the wrong if everyone agrees it's something reasonable to be doing? We're not too far from some philosophical questions.

No, those actions are morally right. Those people have already violated their part in the social contract.

Isn't that morality though? Doing what's best for the greater good even if it's against their immediate interests?

One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust policy.

Almost as if "doing the right thing" requires an underlying moral framework.

Sure. Morally what do you think is the right thing to do?

What is the moral issue here?

When people's lives depend on your actions and policies, you have some moral obligations no matter who you are - a government, a corporation or just an abusive lone parent.
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