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I'm curious if you've seen anything about Apple's equivalent. My impressions is basically every mass data set has an army of low paid workers somewhere, but maybe not and specifics are always interesting.


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Anecdata, sure, but Apple employees seem to be relatively not as well compensated as those in other FAANG companies, at least in terms of pure salary.

It might be nice to work for a company like Apple one day but they are never mentioned in discussions about big tech salaries for some weird reason.

Speaking of “bottom dollar,” how does Apple pay their engineers compared to other big tech?


As a former Apple employee, I disagree that Apple is that different- YMMV depending on the group of course, but there are people who are overworked and underpaid drinking the kool-aid, and there are plenty of people underworking who wouldn't be able to get a similar job at a big company. I do agree that they tend to compensate you in brand value/equity instead of top of market salaries though :D

The above data is only of engineers hired using TripleByte platform. I saw only a handful of open positions with Apple. The data is based on the type of companies uses the platform to hire which probably doesn't involve big paying companies such as Googles, FB, Uber etc

Yeah, but it's hard to do what Apple does. That's why it pays so well.

Yet, when I look at the data, Apple engineers get paid below the market average and they work at one of the most profitable companies of all time.

Apple generally pay very poorly for quality of talent.

I would love to live in world where 10x engineers are rewarded 10x. Right now it's 25% better pay than median.


Is Apple the only company with a worker exploitation problem?

No, there has been a culture shift. Apple actually does pay quite well as of the last 2-3 years. They will match other FAANG at the very least.

Aren't Apple's retail workers relatively well off in most ways? (compared to others in similar jobs obviously)

tl;dr -- retail jobs pay low wages, Apple included.

What I took away from it? Apple is paying market rates for its semi-skilled employees in a high unemployment market. The market is the problem, not the employer.


Apple has 26k employees in retail: http://www.apple.com/about/job-creation/

Apart from that, in Google most (core) jobs are software related, in Apple not so much (there's hardware, design, logistics, manufacturing specialists - even if the bulk is @ Foxconn and similar contractors).

Even if we consider software jobs only, I believe the bulk @ Apple is working in OSX/iOS, not to mention iWork, Final Cut, etc and not directly in Cloud infrastructure.


Anecdotally, everyone I know who works for Apple is paid below market rate. They justify it by reminding you that “you get to be part of the mission”.

I know one guy making market and he’s in the video streaming product group.


In fact, Apple has lots of open jobs for exactly the kind of low-level engineers this thread is about and you can find the team managers posting about them on Twitter.

Well, there’s is a lot of room to wiggle with ~1M revenue per employee. I’d be curious to hear about working habits of people at Apple :)

To be fair, Apple already pays better than most companies.

Apple employees have the advantage of being paid by Apple to work that way.

There are people who make under $10 an hour assembling Apple computers in California. I teach at a community college and some of my students are employed at the factory. It's interesting how Apple gets a complete pass on their wages but companies that make a fraction of Apple's profits like Walmart or McDonald's are constantly criticized for how they pay their employees.

Yeah, high Senior / low Staff at Apple nets you 250k based on folks I know
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