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Yes, lying is often convenient.


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When is it beneficial to lie?

I don't disagree, but sometimes lying is necessary.

Yeah, I like to lie too.

Yes, plenty of people don't mind being lied too.

You lie just to make things slightly easier for yourself, and you think this is OK?

You seem to find lying "easy".

Lying is even easier if you can deny people access to the truth.

Lying is a skill few people appreciate but it can be invaluable.

Yep. Lies are not the same thing as being dishonest. You can use lies to be misleading, or manipulative, or dishonest but you don't need to, and it's usually more effective if you don't (or at least don't entirely).

If someone can't see how a person could be misleading without lying they're going to fall for a lot of bullshit.


There are a lot of drawbacks to lying, though.

Do we? Human beings tell half-truths and lies pretty frequently. I bet if you examine the history of your own utterances for the past several years. you'd find that you do, too.

There are obviously different scales of truth-telling and deception. "It's your baby." is a lot different than, "Ah - I can't make it. I'm just too tired!" But it's still lying. In fact human lying is so frequent that a lot of the smaller lies we tell to be polite or avoid hurting feelings barely even register as lies, even though that's what they are, plain and simple. Clearly Kant's maxim that lying is permissible under no circumstances is false.

In business lying is rampant. You are competing with liars. Marketing is institutionalized lying. People are constantly embellishing the features of their product so that it purports to do something magical when on closer inspection most features are much more mundane. Sales is even more about convincing the person you're talking to that they can't live without something they probably can live without. In other words, being a good liar is pretty much a qualification for the position.

Does that make it ok? No. But does it mean our expectations are lowered? Yes. So when someone goes out of their way to come clean and tell the truth at great disadvantage to themselves, especially in business, we should recognize that for the exceptional event that it is. I don't think that makes lying more acceptable - but it incentivizes truth-telling.


Some people hate lying. Myself included. Makes it awkward at times.

Are you saying lying is necessary or just that it's pervasive?

Can't you just lie?

I disagree. Some people lie just for the fun of it.

[citation needed]

Usually that's not the case.

Plenty of people lie, often unnecessarily, about tiny things like making excuses for being late but would not lie to cover up anything that has serious ethical implications.


Like, admitting to a small lie to get away with a big one?

"Lying is a necessary part of human interaction"

For you maybe.


It's still better than lying.
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