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> What we really need is for these big companies to be split up. I'm not sure if the EU has jurisdiction to do that.

There have been non-binding votes to split it up. And they can tell them to split up or be banned from operating within the EU.



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> I don't like EU attitude to want to rule over foreign companies arbitrarily

The EU wants to regulate its own internal market. Companies can choose to be active in that market.


> At this point, I wonder why the EU doesn't consult him personally prior to enacting some law. It's not as if they don't consult with others as well.

Because it costs companies a lot of money to merge to EU-only market, while waiting for the wheels of justice to grind buys time (for EU-only market).


> I just wish they'd drop the absurd pretense that the EU is somehow capable of imposing their provincial laws on foreign companies with no physical presence in the EU.

They aren't capable of doing that, if those companies do not do business within the EU. As soon as those companies have the power to negatively impact EU citizens, however, the EU has the power to protect those citizens.


>> I can understand your point of view, I just think that this makes it very hard for European companies to compete

Companies are not the only priority a government needs to consider. This might be a strange idea to folks in the US.


> There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies

I'm sorry, what? What could possibly make you think that?


> I would be extremely surprised if the EU goes through all this tome, effort, and money just to let corporations continue with business as usual

trust me, you didn't see what the eu already gone through, just to keep existing.


> If they really think that why not just ask it to leave entirely?

I don't think that the french authorities think that, it is just my personal opinion. But it is good that at least some european authorities starts to kick back on their anti-competitive behavior.


> How far can the EU push before these companies decide it is not worth having actual businesses there?

Why would they leave? Just raise prices in the EU to compensate.


>>If the EU comany is a subsiduary of the US company, then it will have to follow its orders and won't really be separate.

Maybe the US company could be a holding which would "only" own 100% of its independent EU subsidiary (which would be its own legal entity, reporting in EU)?


> A bit off topic, but I was thinking recently if EU ever deregulates anything?

Alas, the EU isn't special in this regard.

Deregulation isn't really popular these days. But it has happened from time to time here and there.


> If every nation state operates by different rules that's not good for multi-national corporations.

Multi national corporations don’t really care whether the rules are homogenous or not, they’re big enough to do whatever they need to to sell their goods and services in whichever markets they want. The single market was actually more of a benefit for smaller companies, allowing them to sell to 500m people without having to worry about customs declarations, country specific safety certifications etc. There are many many examples of small producers having to stop selling to EU customers after Brexit because of the added cost and bureaucracy.


> This is a dangerous ruling that pushes the world further into the potential for trade wars by proxy.

Don't think trade wars applies. The reasons were given and I think they are correct. Personally I'm glad that the EU has the power to (at least a bit) influence such huge corporations.


> I think it's also worth mentioning that the EU's track record on tax issues and dealing with the large multinationals and their complex arrangements is awful. Just look at the hash they made of the VAT changes last year, which were supposedly going to have a beneficial effect by reducing multinational tax avoidance, but in fact did almost exactly the opposite, causing far more damage to smaller businesses than larger ones.

This is I think one of the few genuine substantial complaints against EU membership: the EU is very bad at dealing with small businesses, because they don't have time and money to get involved in the legislative process. Brussels is too far away.


> And the majority of elected officials in EU fundamentally disagrees with that statement.

Well, EU can and will force, fine, or ban US companies as they see fit but there is not some fundamental correctness to their viewpoint


> Germany is obviously somewhat keen on letting single entities get control of everything, as the EU is in many ways an extension primarily of Germany, and the closest entity I'm aware of that could be said to be doing just that.

I'm not sure a union with a democratically elected parliament is comparable to a social media corporation which answers to its shareholders?


> They're basically screwing the rest of Europe by allowing these companies to avoid taxes in the whole EU

The EU was designed to allow countries to compete on this.

> That money could really have been put to good use in the EU

I really think this is a controversial statement. The money can be put to good use in Ireland as well, which is in the EU.


> I guess the long-term plan is that that most telcos will end up merging into pan-european companies.

The EU does have a goal of creating a Single Market.


> In this case the EU is trying to make sure there is COMPETITION, which benefits YOU.

No, EU adds only bureaucracy and regulations. There won't be another 'EU Apple', quite the opposite.

> I am SO looking forward to the EU smashing Apple to pieces

Exactly this, you are not looking EU having their own companies of the Apple/Google scale. You are willing to smash something to pieces.


> I believe tackling such a complex issue affecting many countries on a national level is a mistake.

This sounds like the main problem here, to me:

EU law makes it easy for a company to do business anywhere in EU and only pay taxes in its headquarters, on the assumption that it doesn't matter a lot where the company pays its taxes as long as it's inside the EU. But at the same time, EU law doesn't regulate corporate tax, so some countries can easily take advantage of that by lowering them (or completely removing them) so companies will be attracted there.

They are basically living as parasites to the other countries, and the only solution to that seems to be harmonizing taxes accross the EU.

Edit: could you explain the downvote a bit? I'm curious to hear what you don't like in what I said.

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