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And people who want a contest of how willing to die your driver is can already just watch motorcycle racing.


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I'm fine with that. Motorcycle riders kill almost exclusively themselves.

For motorcyclists, it can be a life or death skill.

An even more exciting way to risk death than commuting via motorcycle.

Especially if they bleed. I honestly wonder how much of the appeal of car and motor bike racing is the anticipation of a crash.

Will there ever be more than a fringe of the population willing to be exposed to the mortality risks motorcyclists are exposed to? Last time i looked your chance of being killed is an order of magnitude higher on a motorcycle.

Many are fatal on an ordinary motorcycle too. Motorcyclists accept those risks.

At least with motorcyclists its their own lives, not others like when car drivers speed excessively.

Those things you listed are pretty much already illegal: Loud motorcycles with poor emissions. As for the fatality rate, it's mainly only impacting the driver. Forcing them to a car is arguably worse.

Motorcyclists get killed very frequently.

I'm a big fan of the 'look twice, save a life concept' but motorcyclists can be more adequately described as suicidal than the typical driver can be described homicidal.

I've been in a few situations where I had to work very hard to not kill/injure someone because a motor cyclist was being completely reckless. It is super annoying to have motorcyclist squeeze around you on both sides on a one lane ramp merging info traffic. Or a motorcycle sitting in my blind spot without even the decency to stay near the center of the lane.

Its not really different from any other driver, except the complete absurdity of driving among cars at car speed with literally no safety mechanism beside plastic wrapping your head should demand a heightened level of defensive driving.


It's rather astonishing that all the safety regulations for cars manage to exist in the same legal system that allows motorcycles on public roads at all. Last I read the death risk ratio was about 24x.

People were white-lining with their crotch-rocket motorcycles at 135 mph before cameras got small enough to mount on their helmets.

They used to just be a page 3 story in the local newspaper. Now their final rides are re-posted to every "rekt" thread.

Perhaps eventually, enough people will absorb the lesson that doing a dangerous thing is dangerous, and will stop trying to make the "oh shit" glands above their kidneys express their "we're about to die" juice.

I have seen enough of those videos that I'm pretty sure that the way I will die is by my tiny commuter sedan being forcibly disassembled by a heavy tractor-trailer or large SUV that crosses the center line. Humans are such fragile things. Why would you intentionally do things that might get your brains splattered across a rock, when we only have another 40 to 60 years to go until you can make a backup almost as good as biology provided?


Motorcyclists get killed by motorists kind of a lot. Once we've conquered the basic hurdles of cornering and not going too fast, cars are our biggest threat. And we're already on the relatively risk-tolerant side of things.

Dark take with just enough data to make it a talking point: motorcycles allow the rider to fly off and die from a traumatic brain injury, while preserving their organs.

If you’re crushed in a Kei car they probably won’t be able to salvage much.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/health/organ-donation-motorcy...


Motorcycles are just straight up dangerous, loud pipes aren't going to change that. Even if every single car on the road was self driving, it would still be dangerous.

If you want to become an organ donor, then go ahead. But you can't make everyone else deal with the externalities of your choice.


I truly hope they don't ban motorcycles. Motorcycles will be much more fun once we no longer have to risk getting killed by an irresponsible driver on a commute.

> * Motorbiking

Which itself can be drilled down to drunk motorbiking, first timers on 200hp bikes, idiots without helmets etc. An average motorcyclist dies 14x as often per km driven as car drivers, however it seems to just attract idiots.

That said, if drunk/distracted/too old drivers switch to self-driving cars that could be a positive change for everyone earlier than general population.


I would rather get into an accident on a motorcycle than in this death trap.

Does he comment on motorcycle riding? I know two people who died riding motorcycles. Can't bring them back, either. Maybe motorcycle riding should be banned?
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