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Maybe do that after global catastrophe had been averted.


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Maybe what we need is for a first world nation to finally do it, so the rest of the world can see what a catastrophe it turns out to be?

Let's try to prevent it from happening here first. After that, we'll consider how we can help the rest of the world.

That was my plan, yes. World leaders constantly monitor my HN comments for ideas on how to handle this.

While it may have any number of undesirable effects, it would at least have a few extremely desirable ones:

- We could stop wasting massive amounts of time and resources on militaries.

- We could end the threat of global nuclear war.

- We could more effectively deal with planet-scale catastrophes like climate change and pandemics.

- We could get rid of all the inefficiencies caused by borders and trade barriers.


Yes, we should just appease the people that will attempt to end the world if they don’t get their way.

I recall an appeasement policy in Europe didn’t work so great in the 1930s.


Sure, sure. That'll prevent global warming and the rise of authoritarian governments and white supremacist violence.

It's not an argument not to do it. I'm just pointing out that it isn't enough to make the world a better place, you need to have a plan ready for how to keep it that way or we just get captured again.

If the risk could be reduced 10-100X it may be worth consideration. I could imagine one of the crazier/more desperate countries trying this in order to get ahead long term (North Korea?).

Maybe at least one book about what to do after you dropped tons of bombs and killed thousand of civilians would help to prevent the usual collapse of civilizations and rising of warlords. But of course I do understand that there is more money to make with a collapsed nation.

If you can (non-violently) convince everyone on earth to suffer massive setbacks in health and material comforts, then by all means go ahead. In the meantime, something that has a chance of actually happening should be pursued, even if it isn't "simple" by some arbitrary measure.

Between there and here are several violent revolutions where millions died. It would be nice to find a safer way.

That’s the ideal scenario. Sad that governments of bystander countries do not seem to want to help make that happen.

Yes, thanks :) That's what I was thinking of, and ought to have mentioned it. It was on HN within the past week or so.

And yes, that could be a great outcome. But sadly enough, I suspect that the situation will get a lot worse before the US, at least, does anything substantial.


This, but unironically. We should’ve built more and done Operation Unthinkable.

Yes. They should consider a given plan and look at the costs and the benefits. Kinda like when they drop bombs. Be it normal bombing, the fire bombing of Kyoto, or using nuclear bombs.

Here's an idea. For once in our existence, leave us alone.

Don't bomb Pearl Harbor.

Don't steal our nuclear weapons and sell mass murder to the highest bidder.

Don't lure us into Korea and Vietnam after Pearl Harbor, and then commit a century long mass murder suicide.

Don't addict millions of people including children to tons of smuggled drugs.

Don't blow up the twin towers.

Don't cross use HIV to cross SARS with the common cold and unleash it on the world.


It is a decent point that something short of military action would be advisable, because if this goes on long enough then eventually it's going to look like a pretty attractive option.

We already tried that 60 years ago in Greenland, it didn’t end well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm


If that scenario ever comes to pass, I think the only thing it will push richer countries to do is to invade the third world country culpable and kill anyone poisoning the atmosphere. Problem solved, cheaply.
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