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“something more than a merely plausible textual basis for the agency action is necessary”

I love it when textualists go anti-textualist.

If people are going to espouse an absolutist ideology, they should at least be consistent.



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>But 95% of everything is really people decrying textualism and actively choosing their ideology.

Of course the textualist thinks only he is above ideology. This is how you can tell they're clowns.


>_Everyone_ wants to control narrative.

At least the marketplace of ideas types tend to want to control the narrative by having the most compelling arguments, while the CCP (and other authoritarians) are clearly above such nonsense.


> But, you know, people like narratives which match their ideology a whole lot.

We can see that.


>If his ideas are valid, there should be other sources to quote/promote.

Why is that so sure? Do you have an equivalent quote to substitute?


> I actually had a discussion about this last night. We came to the conclusion that you can't invalidate an argument solely because it might be biased.

Clearly. That's well-known. I'm just saying that the argument from authority being made actually was supported by evidence of ideology, not authority.


> I wonder why they argue that way, when it seems obvious that you need some common ground to start reasoning at all.

The compulsion to defend the castle arises despite the foundation of the castle being built on sand.

Or:

It sure would be nice if Truth was also convenient.


> uses logic that can only be written by someone with an agenda

Absolutely agree!


> And a lot people are ignoring the context, instead pulling straw men out of the text to fight,

If its pulled out of the text, it's (by definition) not a straw man.


> I have no doubt everything will transpire exactly as outlined because it is simply the most intelligent take you could have.

As a general principle, claiming that you are an authoritative source without authoritative evidence is not rhetorically effective.


> The narrative of doing something for the greater good should be treated as a lie until the burden of evidence is so high that you are forced to accept that it was indeed good.

An obvious impossible standard, more than that you can’t really know if an action was right or wrong without an oracle to tell you what would have happened if different forces had been made.


>No entity is that perfect.

I think people are suggesting not perfection, but a higher standard and thus increased likelihood of it being correct and requiring a higher standard for proving it incorrect or biased.

Do you have an organization that, if they publish something even if it runs counter to your own opinions, you assume that it is fair and likely to be correct?


> The way to “win” an argument these days is to make a claim which is more complex to refute than the attention span of the audience.

This is a good description of something I’ve failed to put into words myself. Thanks for this.


> _Everyone_ has an ideology that overrides logic for many topics.

Yes. However, my ideology is that logic, evidence, and reason, and reality are far more important than ideology.

All I care about is evidence and if I hold a position that is faulty I abandon it the moment there is evidence that I'm incorrect.


> Any good-argument-driven based argument you attempt to make is almost always based on political motivating factors

If this is true in the case of a specific theory, then that is not a good theory.


> The woke argue objectivity and any either/or binary about truth (answers are either true or false) are part of white supremacy.

But see, critical theory also makes claims about truth that are quite binary. (Try telling them that objectivity and binary truth are not part of white supremacy, or any of a number of other things that contradict their doctrine.) But that means that, by the quoted statement, critical theory is also part of white supremacy.

I love using recursion on claims like the quote...


> When you make arguments like this you've opted for ideology over empiricism.

Empiricism _is_ an ideology. People seem to forget that around here.


> Since when has listening to an authority on a topic been a bad thing?

It isn't a bad thing, but a reasoned argument is always preferable to an appeal to authority. This is especially true when there is scant evidence of actual authority.


>Can you call it that though? >One is a person with a well-earned a reputation, the other.. well you get the point.

Yes

>An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority's support is used as evidence for an argument's conclusion

You're not defending the point logically; you're only supporting argument is that someone with a good reputation supports it as well.


> Sure it is: an appeal to authority is not a valid step in a deductive logical argument

Technically, unless you reinvented logic on your own, this in an argument of authority with extra steps.

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