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OP doesn’t cover btc as a native machine<>machine or digital economy discrete value transfer mechanism. Gold can’t do that, presumably computers will still be around post-default though so the need exists. People will pay each other with venmo still, just maybe not redeemable for fiat vs crypto.


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I'm sure the creditors will happily accept payment in Bitcoin in lieu of cash. it's dIgItAL gOlD except the digital gold can be copied and pasted to make a new kind of digital gold that is identical to the other gold, completely unlike actual physical gold.

Bitcoin now serves the same purpose as digital gold. Some other crypto currency will probably end up as the equivalent of "digital cash", one which is suited for the purpose, people will be able to shift back and forth between the two in the same way they can now with gold and cash.

You do realize that gold has a lot more use cases beside payment after it is mined?

Bitcoin can't compete with that.

Even if tomorrow nobody accepts gold you can still use it in electronics and such.


Bitcoin might become an 'internet gold': https://medium.com/@zby/proof-of-work-8d8265def194 Moving a kilogram of gold from one part of the world to another would already be more expensive than sending equivalent in bitcoin.

But I am waiting for a new wave of POS systems: https://medium.com/@zby/proof-of-stake-can-be-cheaper-than-p...


But there is no evidence Bitcoin will ever make that transition. Gold has been around forever and we still don’t transact with it.

Bitcoin is terrible for transacting (slow, expensive, traceable), but I think its use case will be to provide a store of value, hence the "digital gold" description.

Monero is closer to Internet's native money imo, and that doesn't seem to have nearly the drastic swings that BTC has had in the last few months.

That being said, use case for store of value is difficult since whales can manipulate the price so easily.


The convertibility between money and gold has stopped in the 70s.

Bitcoin allows for instant money transfer, and so does Visa.

The fact that bitcoin has no collateral is a whole other topic.


Bitcoin. You think people want to deal with the transfer of physical gold etc in this modern age?

bitcoin is going to be digital gold and bitcoin CASH is going to be the P2P cash system. Both can coexist with each other.

Nothing could keep them from doing that, except the unwillingness of users to use the government paper money instead of the real thing.

Gold has to be "converted" to paper to be practical. Bitcoin is already a whole lot more practical than almost any aspect of the modern money infrastructure, so there's no "killer app" for Bitcoin-backed currency.


Gold is actually used, eg. In the phone you're typing on.

If BTC is gone, outside of the lost money, there would be no real life impact.


I can also use gold to barter in person.

The point is that Bitcoin reach as a medium of exchange is limited. I would argue on a global scale, it's as limited as gold.


Aside from some industrial uses, gold really has no intrinsic value aside from cosmetic. And cosmetic use is really just shared appreciation. There's really no reason btc couldn't offer shared value as medium of exchange in the same way fiat currency serves. Just depends on enough people who agree to use it.

If you couldn’t exchange gold for fiat it would still have value. Bitcoin would plummet in value.

Yes, but I foresee Bitcoin being used similar to how gold used to be used before.

> Bitcoin is your last resort payment method/store of value

This is what people have traditionally held gold for. It feels to me like there are very few use cases that aren't already served by physical gold.


Neither gold nor bitcoin are particularly good for the purpose you are suggesting -- that's why gold was replaced with fiat currency. Because fiat currency was better. Bitcoin chasing after gold's position is unfortunate because of course, fiat is better than gold.

The characteristics you need for a medium of exchange are:

- fungibility.

- the ability to hold its value for exactly as long as you need to hold onto it. Any longer than that is a non-goal.

- stability/predictibility.

- the ability to adjust to shocks, and a changing population.

- low cost of transactibility.

Scarcity is a non-goal. Clear ownership is a non-goal except in as much as possession is 9/10th of the law.

Basically none of these apply to gold, and basically none of these apply to bitcoin. That's why nobody uses it as such.


Gold is no longer widely used as money, but in the past it was, and was quite successful as a medium of exchange.

His argument seems to be that if you want something to be genuinely useful as money, it has to do both reliably, and BitCoin only seems able to do one.


Correct. Ultimately, we will end up using Bitcoin as an asset and less for transactions. It is a better version of Gold.
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