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Hence the satiric "so maybe we should all stop using electricity?".


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"It uses too much electricity" has become the new curmudgeon punt. I've begun ignoring it outright. Thank you for spelling out the bigger picture for those who are pondering the silly abuse of environmental concern signaling bandwagon. Maybe someday we can combat actual threats to our environment, probably using AI.

I think the point was that they are (potentially) using lots of electricity.

"how can we find ways to make our society even less energy efficient for no benefit to any quality of life except making some company some money. You know, like usual, but let's make it even more on the nose."

Furthermore, Any reduction in the efficiency of electrical systems for (slight) convenience gains seems like a Bad Idea right now. If we were awash in clean energy (and weren't worried about thermal pollution) then ... maybe.

> That leads to reduction of use (as people just can't afford it)

I consider this a good thing. Wasting energy ain't good, especially when it isn't completely climate neutral


Let me guess, you're the one that decides "frivolous"? I couldn't disagree more. Everyone needs way more energy. Most poverty is energy poverty and trying to reduce demand seems like a fool's errand. Electricity rules, stop pretending like it doesn't. We can figure out how to make more of it without destroying everything

> Instead of building more coal plants, saving energy is an alternative

Let's cut the power to your house first.


Thanks for the laugh!

Seriously, imagine the world collective savings on energy if everyone reduces their power consumption by small modest 5%.


Yes. That's exactly my point. The argument "people are saving the planet by just changing to electric" is not quite correct.

I really wish we would stop wasting energy on this. I mean literal energy, as in the electricity.

>Don't save electricity. Switch to high efficiency electrical appliances (notably heat pump heating, cooling, water heating)

We can do both - switch everything to electric, and simultaneously adopt habits that limit waste of these.

Obviously, don't save electricity by using carbon intensive energy sources, that'd be counterproductive.

I agree with the rest of your comment.


Wouldn’t we just use more electricity?

I know I cut back on my electric because it costs 28p per kwh, which is crazy high.


I see that point.

But, what’s the new norm we want to establish?

“Let’s all use 20% less energy”

Vs

“Let’s produce all energy from renewable sources”

I feel like the second option is the only one that’s going to save us, and option 1 is a distraction.

If you were to, say, mount a solar panel on the roof of your electric car, that would probably be a better message to send than to drive less.


Yes, of course. But parts of the discourse make it sound like we need to reduce our energy usage as some kind of 'moral imperative'. They give the impression that they'd be disappointed if everyone could get everything they wanted with zero cost to the environment.

Yeah - the original point was about a reduction in total energy demand, not electricity demand.

>We're getting literal de-growth of energy

What do you mean by that and why is it bad? Do you mean that we save energy and need less? That doesn't sound bad tbh.


> We are talking about energy that could be saved just by switching things off or turning things down.

In order to do that you'll need to make energy much more expensive - artificially so.


Indeed.

"Forget Shorter Showers" (http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/4801...) points out that perhaps we've duped to think that energy shortages/waste are _our_ fault, when, in fact, it's industry, large-scale agriculture, and our military that are the biggest abusers. Of course, this isn't an excuse to not be lower impact ourselves (and perhaps not purchasing products that support certain industries), but we can't be fooled into thinking that changing our charging habit is going to save the environment.


> If you notice high energy use while cooking, are you going to start eating more salads instead?

Of course, why wouldn't you? If the assumption isn't that effectively unlimited power is available on demand you adjust use accordingly.

On sunny days with excess power maybe you charge and do laundry. On a stretch of cloudy days you avoid long periods of cooking or using large tools like sellers or air compressors.

Adjusting to our environment rather that chasing convenience is a very reasonable approach to makinh a real dent in reducing our environmental impact.

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