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They link to this, which has a table at the top:

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-per-energy-source

I'd assume coal uses much more land in absolute terms, since it's what 50% of global electricity vs 3-5% for solar at the moment.



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From what I can tell, solar doesn't contribute a significant amount of electricity. About 0.25%. Coal is about 40%. I think we're comparing the wrong thing.

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3


jeffbee's unsourced numbers are probably not for UK.

Worldwide coal provides a lot more power than wind [1], although of course it still produces more waste and pollution and everything per TWh than renewables.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-sou...


From https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.ph...

We see that in 2018 coal produced 1,146,393 thousand Megawatts, which is a decrease of ~60,000 from 2017 (corrected!). Solar produced 66,604 thousand MW in 2018, an increase of ~13,000 from 2017.

In terms of percent of coal, the sources are:

  * solar 6%
  * hydro 25%
  * nuclear 70%
  * natural gas 100%
  * other renewables (mostly waste/biomass) 31%

The US has 4% of the global population and 9% of coal usage

Germany has 3% of coal usage and 1% of the population

China is certainly the biggest at 51% coal and 18% population though. India per capita usage is lower but total is 11% of coal

Coal usage is also going to spike in Europe due to the gas shortages in the near term


Coal use as a percentage of total generation is down and Wind has taken off so your intuition is wrong here. In 2022, 7.5% of the worlds electricity supply came from Wind vs 35.7% from coal so 30x easily makes up the difference.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-electricity-wind?ta...

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-electricity-coal?ta...

PS: Coal was 40.5% in 2014, so the drop is only 12% in 8 years which isn’t massive but it is still significant.


This is not accurate. This year coal has produced 23% of US electricity. See table 7.2a. https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/

Biomass is listed in the article, it's about 6% now

UK Biomass in the last year is about 2GW average, Gas about 12.8GW, Coal 0.7GW


67% of electricity comes from fossil fuel.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

Efficiency of coal plant is ~ 33%

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_08_01.html

Natural gas is about ~40%.

So in reality you are getting 90% of ~35% or 31.5%.


Bullshit.

2021, 72.4 Billion BTUS total use and 8.6 Billion BTUs from coal.

11%.

Sorry I was off by one percent.


> Together, wind and solar provided 16.1% of US electrical generation in the first two months of 2023; by comparison, electrical generation by coal dropped by 32.7% and provided 16.0% of total US electrical generation.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

> Natural gas = 33.8%

> Coal = 30.4%

> Nuclear = 19.7%

> Renewables (total) = 14.9%

Granted, Natural Gas is highly efficient, but Coal is still a major contributor to people's electricity generation in the USA.


The EU relied on coal for 15.8% of its electricity generation in 2022 vs. 40% renewable (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/how-is-eu-el....) while the US's coal share is 20% vs. 21% renewable (posted article).

Disclaimer: I'm the author of the article.

I'm not sure which part of it you believe is unreal, but I'll try to clarify; - the 1% electricity consumption of total world consumption is real - based on research done by IEA (https://www.iea.org/reports/tracking-buildings/data-centres-...) - The calculation on the effect of generating 200TWh of electricity from burning coal is 1.2 billion tonnes of CO2 emission is real - the link in the article points to the estimation - the fact that most of world's energy comes from fossile sources is real. While it's not 100% from coal, 67% is from fossile fuels; https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-information-2019

And some countries are worse than others. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/10/asia/china-data-center-ca...


Fun fact: renewables produce more electricity than coal in the UK, even though the UK is worse for solar than anywhere in the contiguous USA.

https://amp.ft.com/content/a05d1dd4-dddd-11e9-9743-db5a37048...

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/1355/measuring-sola...


To further put this in perspective (2007-2021 data from the source above).

Gas absorbed about 60 percent, while renewables absorbed about 40. The numbers are in billion kilowatthours. Coal usage was reduced by 1117, in the same time period gas went up with 678 and renewables went up with 473.


Sorry, but 0.1% of global energy consumption still adds up to a lot of coal power plants.

Here are numbers:

Renewables 2019: 46%

Renewables 2000: 6%

Coal + Gas 2019 40%

Coal + Gas 2000 59%


Still...

"Overall, the addition of 121 gigawatts of solar and wind globally (also a record) means that roughly half of new electricity generating capacity installed last year was in these two technologies."

Also, Biomass = 1.7%


23% coal, 28.2% less than last year.

Renewable energy is hugely increasing world wide.

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