I like driving, and I don't want it to be taken away from me. I don't want my whole city and society to be re-engineered because of "climate" concerns.
I am not a car person, but I have to deal with cars and drivers 99.9% of the time I am outside.
I would rather not, but they don’t allow me that choice, and they will also fight to the last man and beyond 4C warming for their „right“ to endanger me and my kin, as well as accelerate the rapid destruction of the only known habitat.
I'm an anti-car urbanist, but this kind of comment makes me embarrassed to be one. Different people like different things. The fact that something is bad for the climate doesn't magically make it unpleasant for everyone. That remains true even if they accept the climate impacts.
It's true that the inevitable conclusion is that we can't rely on individual voluntary actions to solve climate change, but the obvious plan B is government regulation, not vigilantism.
Forget about the emissions issue, I just hate driving and having to depend on its supporting infrastructure (repair shops, gas stations, insurance...) for my day-to-day needs. I live in a US suburb. Can't even get a sandwich or buy milk or see someone without strapping myself into my fucking car. This is no way to live.
If I could, I'd give up ever having to drive again in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, here we have few realistic options given where employers are located and how poor the transportation options that remain. It's a racket.
I don’t own a car, and I might be what some call a mobility advocate. But I’ll admit it, driving is fun. There’s few things as fun as going on a 50 mile trip to explore a new park.
But personal automobiles start creating issues when we are required to drive to pick up groceries or drop kids off at school. When everyone does this we get terrible traffic, suffocating pollution and an environment that winds up being built to focus on machines over people.
This is killing our health, our relationships and our environment. We don’t want to ban cars, we want a culture that gives transportation choice: driving, biking or walking. So many parts of our cities and suburbs right now only give one choice: “driving.”
Last thing, I’m also an introvert, but running errands and commuting on a bike is great. Aside from dangerous or aggressive drivers, most of my interactions with other people is limited and when it does happen is positive. No one really bothers you like they do on transit or while walking.
I'm anti-car, for the record. I don't drive in cities, and I think the costs of congestion, parking, noise, and pollution should be borne by those who do.
yeah wow when the only option people have for getting around is to drive, most people will not want to give up their car
our argument isn't that everyone should just stop driving, leaving everything else as is. that would, as you point out, obviously not work
our argument is that there needs to be feasible alternatives to driving, which in many parts of the world is already the case and it works great (in fact, it works better than north american car dependency)
i do want to call out one more thing though
even if it was true that most people like their cars and driving (which isn't true at all)
given that the degree to which people drive is literally becoming an existential threat not only to future generations but already to us now
should the rest of us really just go ah we'll just let it slide then? like yes they're destroying our planet but, they really like their cars and driving
An obvious observation: Individual change and collective change are not mutually exclusive, so I think the choice between them is a bit of a false dilemma.
To pick an extreme example: Me not stabbing anyone is not enough to end knife crime in general, but this individual action (of not stabbing anyone) can still be considered an ethical baseline, so it's still good for me to not do that. Similarly, you aren't going to stop climate collapse by not driving, but...
You realize you can have a lot more enjoyable driving experiences if you enable all the people who only drive for instrumental reasons to get off the roads right? Nobody is "anti-car." People are anti-city-planning-that-requires-you-to-use-a-car-every-day-in-order-to-be-a-functioning-member-of-society.
It's like voting--if you know game theory, you know that voting is a waste of your time.
If I spent all my life avoiding "car dependence" at all, much less with the goofy fervor of the virtue-signalling green crew on the internet, I'd have roughly zero impact on climate change.
As it stands, I get to enjoy big ol' diesel trucks and dirtbikes and motorcycles.
Plenty of people don't enjoy these things and are happy sitting on the bus and enjoying things in cities, movie theaters or museums or whatever.
I just have different preferences.
Luckily, my preferences seem rare, so it's no worry.
Also, the biggest driver of climate change is the sun.
If someone really wants to stop contributing to pollution, oil spills, energy dependence etc - don't buy a car. Any car.
Manufacturing cars requires a tremendous amount of energy and natural resources. Everything we manufacture and consume punishes the earth.
Myself, I've decided to eschew driving. Our perceived dependence on automobiles is insane. The roads are insane. No car is going to make me cool. I want no part of it.
Because driving is unsustainable and destroying the planet. It can not be allowed to continue in its current form so the easiest option would be to push people away from it when they are able to.
But I didn't say any of that. Walk or ride - do whatever you like. But in the new world, one option will have been removed - driving. I'm not cheering the loss of that. I'm for free choice. You seem to be arguing in favour of removing other peoples' choices. And you think that's right! Who made you (or the Paris mayor) king/queen of the world?
I'm also saying, artificially creating issues by removing roads, making them one way etc, in order to create terrible traffic, in order to then justify removing cars completely, is a form of manipulative abuse, being inflicted on people by government. I'm not going to cheer abusive behaviour.
I'm really tired of motorists decimating our environment and wasting 40,000 human lives every year. But I guess we have different values. For example, having my car less than two blocks from me has almost no value in my view. Maintaining a livable planet and saving human live tends to have a lot of value in my view.
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