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Speak for yourself, I enjoy using idiomatic phrases because I like conveying nuance and expressing myself using a common phrases. :)


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That’s a really odd way to put “I like to emote orthogonally to idiomatic vernacular”

I usually try to avoid using idioms in a group setting, or with people I don't know very well. I also usually cringe when people use them. That said, I do find them useful in private conversations. For example, in candid conversations with my manager I might say "Hey Boss, I think we've got a lot of bike shedding going on; folks on the team are eager to help, but they're attacking problems that they know how to solve first, not the problems that represent the biggest timeline risk." or I might say "Hey Boss, I know it looks like we're all off in the weeds on this project, but there's a lot of necessary Yak Shaving going on - I'd be happy to dig into some specifics/details if you like." ~ In private conversations with people you know/trust, some of these idioms are convenient shorthand.

Go down a line or two on the definitions for 'idiom'.

> A form of expression natural to a language, person, or group of people.

> The dialect of a people or part of a country.

I'm sure there could be grammatical nitpicks, but the word choice is appropriate.


People speak in metaphors. I don't know why people get so hung up when it happens. Language isn't a formula unless you're a model. Even then, LLM do cope with some idioms.

I do the phrase thing, too, but the sentences are usually made -up gibberish.

I try to work really hard on not using too many idioms and sayings in slack. Same goes for memes specific to American culture. Or if I use one accidentally, define the meaning.

OTOH sometimes other native English speakers get frustrated with this, and I’ll hear feedback like “YES WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS” when in reality this person is just speaking for themselves...

It’s a tricky balance because if I know someone has a shared cultural context, idioms, etc can make the communication more fluid, efficient etc. So I find it’s a constant calibration.


This is an opportunity to stand out by using less common phrases.

People just want the vibes of words and phrases without the rigor

Trying to sound intelligent can actually have the opposite effect. I like the quote "If you can't explain something simply then you don't understand it well enough."

As for picking up idioms, I think it's something that happens gradually as you are exposed to more writing by native speakers.


Out of curiosity, what are some of those phrases?

lalala12399 is using an idiom in the American English language.

One of my Iranian colleagues back when I worked in an office had many entertaining phrases, like:

"I go make some shoppings"

"Time for go"

Naturally, the rest of the gang picked them up and used them. I still say them to the consternation of others.


While true, it's padding and mannerisms like that which add personality to a phrase. Works better in spoken language I think.

Phrases that are overused: in regular speech that is quite normal. Also in other languages with less borrowing there are way more stock phrases that are used over and over and it's normal.

So being exposed to example French or Chinese you learn that the perception of overuse of a phrase is mostly an English language thing of the upper classes —middle and lower classes don’t observe this aversion as much.


I think one of the benefits is that I can change the meaning depending on who I am talking to. "Why honey, it means I love you of course!" ;P

>Why are they bad?

Because, you know, they're overused like to the point that many Americans, ummmm, don't use them to like "tell the listener that you haven't finished speaking" anymore, you know, but instead they're like thrown randomly into, ahhh, sentences, even when the sentence is expressed fluidly, you know?

Using these phrases all the time has somehow become cool, even though it makes people look like fucking idiots.


So in other words, it boils down to the usual human "I heard some cool new phrase in my in-group, I'm gonna start using it"?

Because it’s expected that you’re smart enough to use your words.

I just find it an amusing way to talk, circumstantially. Since it places a sort of ironic lack of humility against the supposed humility and good-faith of another, and there's an interesting dynamic there. I have an extremely dry sense of humor that does get me intro trouble.

Here I was speaking very literally, and yet by using phrases like 'far left' taken to be signalling something non-literal. In doing this I was splitting the audience into those looking for dogwhistles and those reading what i've said.

If someone replied having read what i'd said, i'd take quite a different tone. That someone reacted superficially, to supposed implications that didn't exist -- well, that doesnt great any obligation on me to be anything other than ironic.

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