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Students are the ones benefiting from their own work AND the work of the teacher.


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the students should be supervised by their teacher.

The teachers know who the good students are, just like the students know who the good teachers are.

The teachers know who the good students are, just like the students know who the good teachers are.

When I was tutoring, I was glad to have students who cared enough about the work to attack it in advance.

Student/teacher is more or less the same thing.

Could one do more than "getting the work done"? If so, how?

How would you make sure students are learning?


What do you think teachers are for instead?

The learning part is on the student, anyway. You can only assist them while they do it. And that mostly means breaking down stuff into lessons, taking care of the learning environment, answering questions as they arise, keep students from cutting each others hair off, and keep them busy until their parents come home from work (although I agree the last part is a bit of a cynical take).


Teachers and students are insulated from productivity

That's what you have students for.

Not really sure that is a proven advantage. I have always been self-motivated and had teachers who just left me to get on with it and marked anything I handed in to them. You still have to send out the right signals to people who don't know you.

Being the best served by the teacher is already a reward; no need to rub additional salt in the wounds of the students the teacher is failing.

So the education system is contingent on making students teach other students, or else? Lol

All too often students go under-appreciated in the classroom and it can lead to a poor learning environment. So I set out (with the help of my 4th grade class) to get the word out there: ALL STUDENTS ARE APPRECIATED!

How often do you remember your teacher appreciating you as a student?


I had good teachers who just let me sit at the back of the class and work at my own pace, they would mark any work that I handed in.

That's called having a teacher.

Very interesting how you see the role of the teacher. I never thought of it that way, but it's so true. With "free" learning available anywhere, their jobs are more to do with mentoring and less with transferring knowledge.

A teacher's job, if they're doing it right, is not to provide continual feedback to 20+ kids, but to create a space which focuses them on learning a particular skill or achieving a particular goal. Kids learn best when working with other kids, usually by modeling one another and taking the best bits as they go. It's continual exploration with an expert on hand to help when they get stuck or see some basic skills training.

There are teachers who care, and then everyone else.

Teachers asking students to show their work are human prompt engineers.
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