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They decided that they are the moral police and will directly fine customers for being mean on the internet or doing anything else they alone decide they don't like.

see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33062320 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32945147 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33151975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33136147 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33134249 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32980157

tldr: dumpster fire of a company, don't hold assets in a PayPal account and I wouldn't even add long-term payment methods.



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Sounds like I prime example of Moral Hazard where people would justify shitty behavior because they pay for it. It's also more difficult to ban people in one way or another because they are paying customers now.

They destroyed their customer's trust.

This isn't "punishment", it's the free market in action.


So they're just sociopaths who minmax how much they can abuse their customers and get away with it.

And that's how they like it, extreme "techno-authoritarianism". Making as hard as possible to appeal decisions or access higher management, and the facade of customer service is usually into ignoring or gaslighting customers to the point of sadism.

Ban or shadow-ban whenever

Raise prices whenever

Sell your private info to whomever

Violate your privacy however


They're selling a service that people are required to buy. It should be no surprise that the equilibrium reached is "be as consumer hostile as possible without violating the letter of the law enough to get told to stop"

They should be fined too. Trying to rip off their customers instead of protecting them.

Well the decision is to treat all customers as criminals, just the same as if we already were criminals.

So them just banning the customers service with no explanation until they raise a stink here is okay?

Exhibit A of why predatory consumer practices work.

You'd rather be civil, than treated civilly.


With the intent to disrupt business. They can be easily sued for this practice. This isn't a consumer doing so, this is a company having their employees vehemently attack a competitor.

Don't be surprised when that happens. Entire websites sent as a single PNG, or Widevine increasingly determining how/whether you view content. It didn't have to be this way.

You can frame this as civil disobedience against duress, or attack a strawman of morality (which I never brought up). It's not that complicated or subjective. It's a business transaction. I'm saying if you don't like the store, don't patronize it. You're saying that if you don't like the store's prices or how they do business, then you get to take the goods without paying.


That's not the reason. The reason is that they can bullshit you and get away with it.

I sometimes wonder why isn't there a huge fine specifically for corporations trying to avoid their responsibilities by bullshiting customers. It should be in hundreds of thousands per incident. Because they do that and they feel free to do that and you can't punish them much for doing that. The worst case for them, they actually do their job.


I can understand why they do this, sort of, but I can't understand how they have this mindset in the first place.

Imagine if they let criminals run riot through their stores, on the theory that they're in the business of selling meat and potatoes to everyone in the UK, not of policing stores. Well, it's true, but putting their customers at risk is wrong and bad for business.

No, this web site nonsense hasn't been bad for business... so far. I wouldn't be surprised if a major breach would change that in a hurry, though.


They absolutely don't want certain customers.

Good for them. Doesn't really matter if their customers start refusing to do business with them because they are scared off by stuff like this.

They want to rip off the customers first.

But they're doing that anyway, in bits and bobs, when they erode the trust of their customers.

Clearly they have little reason to care about the feelings of people they want to be ex-customers.

Interfering in your customers' dealings that have nothing to do with you sounds morally awful to me.
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