Or just work in the South Bay. All the really dominant Bay Area tech companies (Google, Facebook, Apple, Netflix - also Cisco, Intel, Juniper, NVidia, even Hewlett-Packard and IBM) are here.
Big tech is actually still
mostly in the suburbs. By big tech we mean Facebook, Google, Apple, Netflix, etc... It is only the newer generation of companies that are HQ’d in SF. The older generation employs far more workers and are still a lot bigger.
Facebook’s HQ is Menlo Park (suburb). Google’s is in Mountain View (suburb). Apple’s is in Cupertino (suburb). Netflix’s is in Los Gatos (suburb).
The only big city downtown is actually SF. I would characterize San Jose as a giant suburb. All the other so called cities are really suburbs. Oakland has a small downtown but is across the Bay and has virtually no tech scene.
Particular kinds of tech tend to cluster together typically due to a founding company. South Bay is where hardware companies cluster. Enterprise software tends to cluster around Oracle in the mid Peninsula area. New software companies now cluster mostly around SF. I think the people who found new companies want access to the existing labor pool so they found the companies close to similar existing companies.
If you work for FB in Menlo Park, you probably don’t want to commute down from SF. You would waste a lot of your time doing so. You also probably prefer to live in a nicer place than a fish tank. So if you can find a nicer place than a fish tank and that is still close to work, then you would jump at it. Even if you prefer fish tank style, most of the fish tanks aren’t actually that nice: 600 sq ft and a view of your neighbor’s balcony. 600 sq ft is kind of small once you get married. Also, $3400 sounds better going to a mortgage than an apartment if housing prices appreciate. You can always sell.
I hope this encourages more tech companies to locate in San Jose. San Francisco is getting worse over time as a place to live, but there are plenty of nicer spots around the bay.
SF wasn’t chosen by the tech industry. South Bay was. Most big Tech firms’ HQs are outside the city itself, precisely because of lower real estate costs.
The move to SF has been much more recent and mainly fueled by the desire of younger workers to live/work in more densely populated areas. And then most startups started basing out of SF proper to be closer to these workers (and appear “cool”) so now you have all the big startup successes based in the city proper.
There's a lot more to Silicon Valley than San Francisco. It's just as expensive with a lot of people absorbed in their work, but does away with the bad weather and crime.
I've never understood why so many tech companies over the last decade went up to SF. Before that most were down the peninsula and in San Jose. I'd pick the lower peninsula over SF no question.
unlike sf, tech workers in pretty much every city you listed tend to actually live in those cities. hell, half the tech workers in sf live in berkeley, oakland, sunnyvale, or other bay area communities. when i was a tech worker in sf, i wasn't civically engaged in sf because i spent that budget in berkeley, where i actually lived.
Agree on your points about proximity to jobs. But there's plenty tech jobs in SF (and even east bay: Oracle, GE) and I noticed more companies rent coworking spaces in SF to accommodate employees who don't like the suburban lifestyle.
It's hard to agree on pricing though, San Jose has one of the most expensive prices per sq. foot in the country. According to certain charts even higher than SF. Which I never understood, the density is much lower and there seems to be more space but from what I understand it's because most properties are big(ger) houses on large lots that take up a lot of space.
I was thinking that tech companies are in the San Francisco area because that's where a lot of tech talent is found, and tech talent is found there because tech companies are there.
Is there anything more to it than that?
I'm happy to see tech spread out a bit. The absurd housing prices in San Francisco aren't healthy for either the tech companies nor the non-tech neighbors.
The appeal of the south bay is cheaper housing than the peninsula and the city, but also far less crime than the east bay (and less traffic, but not anymore). Also, most of the established tech companies are here: Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Netflix, Cisco, etc. The tech scene is not just about startups. These established companies employ a lot of engineers, and they aren't going anywhere.
At some point in many engineers' careers, the startup scene becomes a bit less appealing. This isn't just because of work-life balance or ageism -- it's because most startups only need a few senior-level employees. The majority of startup employees are young because startups need people to do entry-level work, and young people are willing to. If you want to do truly interesting, challenging, senior-level programming work, you are far more likely to find it at a large company than at a startup.
That's not to say that there isn't plenty of boring work at large companies, because there is a ton of it, but rather that large companies have more open positions for senior-level engineers doing interesting work than startups do. Their benefits are also quite good, which matters more when you have a family. Most of these large companies are in the south bay, and if you are going to work at one of those companies, you might as well live nearby and save yourself the aggravation of a long commute, whether it be by car, train, or Google bus.
I know plenty of people who live in SF, and frankly some of them end up going out in San Francisco less often than I do. Most of their weeknights consist of going home, eating dinner, and watching TV or reading a book, just like most people. The big difference is that they pay over $3k for their apartments, and I pay half that. If you're going to have a conventional, boring home life 5 days a week, you might as well save some money. I can go to San Francisco whenever I feel like it.
The dicey assumption made in this piece is that most of the people who work in major Silicon Valley companies actually live in San Francisco.
I wouldn't know any statistics but, in general, Silicon Valley is much more centered in the South Bay and than it is in San Francisco and those who work at Adobe, Sun, Apple, Oracle, etc. would normally live either on the Peninsula or in the San Jose area.
Just to take Apple as an example, in general, it is pretty crazy for the thousands of people who work in Cupertino (which is immediately adjacent to San Jose and is some 50 miles from most points in San Francisco) to live somewhere other than the South Bay or at least the Peninsula - from which locations the commutes would be pretty modest (still likely 20 minutes or more for most people but not the hour-plus it would be from the City).
Some people undoubtedly live in San Francisco while working at Apple simply because they like the City so much and prefer to live there in spite of the long commute. But these would likely be unusual exceptions and not the rule.
Though there was mostly never a need to live in SF for a lot of the tech company jobs. Many/most were people who wanted to live in a city in the Bay Area even if their jobs were in the South Bay. I assume it's an exodus from the Bay Area generally.
The truth of the matter is the Bay Area is a great place for tech companies because of the sheer volume of engineers. The reason so many engineers live in the Bay Area (and a handful of other cities) is (and I say this from experience) it's terrifying being an engineer in a city with only one or two tech companies.
I moved from SF to a smallish city in my late 20's, and I was only able to find one tech job to apply to, and it wasn't even for a technology I already knew. I was offered the position, and spent the next 6 years treading water at a mediocre job because there just weren't any other options: I could either stay at that job, or leave a town I loved.
When my wife and I decided it was time to move (she had just completed her Master's), job opportunity weighed heavily in our decision making process. We had a lot of other considerations (we wouldn't live someplace we didn't like just because it was good for our careers), but we wanted to make sure we at least had multiple options when it came to work, and that is absolutely something the Bay Area provides.
If Bay Area and tech is a talking point. For most of the tech existence, Silicon Valley has always been the go to place. Then, it got too expensive. The next stop was sf and now even soma is crazy shit expensive. The natural progression i see is to start looking at the east bay (Hayward, Oakland..). They still are comparatively affordable. Work with the local governments where it is a win win for both. I live in Hayward and I can’t imagine there are no startups here. It is so close to the city.
I hate San Francisco (and NYC and DC, and to a somewhat lesser extent, the non-SF SFBA cities). Unfortunately, it really is the best place for tech company employment, at least in a 15-500 person company. You need to have enough companies in a given area to make it possible to switch jobs without relocating, and I just don't see that anywhere else (NYC for non-core-tech tech-using companies, and DC for gov contracting).
Peninsula is losing out to SF itself for a lot of companies, too.
For a startup, having service providers in an area is important, but investors are more important, and remain reluctant to do anything remote to themselves.
I would argue the best city for tech has never been the bay area. Its the best place to make a lot of money in tech, but by far the best engineers I have met, and the ones who have the happiest most well adjusted lifes do not, and never have lived in the bay area. Seattle is somewhat similar, for new transplants, but there is a historical core that had a great quality of life previously.
If you are starting a company today and want the top decile of talent, you will mostly find them looking for remote roles. You will find some great workers who live in the big cities, and still want the in office experience, but by far the best people are living remotely.
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