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Serious question:

Who is stupid enough to make these loans? How can they not see they won't get their money back?

I suspect it is a tax thing/way to move money, isn't it?



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But who is issuing these loans? It should be pretty obvious that you would never see that money back right?

This bugbear has never made sense to me. Such a loan has to be paid back. With dollars. Presumably, from income that is taxed. And, with interest.

The loan is not a loan, its a gift. There was some tax reason it was done this way

Why? The loan didn't get paid back magically. It isn't going to get paid back by other loans. It will eventually be paid with taxable income.

What was the purpose of paying back the loan? I think it's foolish to give away large sums of money for no effect.

Don't they have to payback the loans at some point? And at that point do they not liquidate some assets to do so and pay taxes on that? (Serious question.)

Can you clarify something that I never understood about this process, are they literally using the loan money to pay themselves?

I’ve never understood this reasoning. Loans need to be repaid at some point, so one must realize some income to pay them back, at which point they will owe tax.

Well the first question that needs to asked here is why do those people borrow money after knowing very well they can't pay it back?

Its purely their mistake, and nobody else (society, government etc) can be blamed here.


Why? It's literally free money. Stick it into an low risk investment account or even a money market account, give it back at the end and keep the interest.

People should be held accountable for their own stupidity, and it's not like the company did anything deceptive AFAIU. If an adult doesn't understand what a loan is then that's on them (or their education, but that doesn't absolve their responsibility).


Taking out a bad loan is not smart. Not being able to pay it back is not smart. We can argue whether this is good or not, but certainly these people are not smart or they would have solved the problem or avoided it in the first place.

Loaning $160K to someone who was unlikely to be able to pay that back was also a stupid mistake, no? Given that the debt is non-dischargeable not everyone is allowed to fail.

People should be asking where this money comes from, and if it's not ever paid back, who doesn't get paid back?

It's not a problem for you if you can take a loan and you don't need to pay it back. You should get as much debt as possible. It's a problem for the guy who never gets their money back.

In effect, the money is borrowed from those who have savings in cash, in the form of inflation. Deficit spending with created money i.e. inflation is a 'hidden tax' which mostly hurts poor people, who have most of their savings in cash.


Who do you think is loaning the money?

They pay down the loan (which will have some hilariously low interest rate because they're good for it) with income, and then - to rub salt in the wound - they get to write off the interest paid on their income taxes.

These guys do have substantial incomes, but through "charitable donations" (to charities they control) and interest paid, they often pay little or no income tax on it.


Are they allowed to take out loans without paying them back? If they have to pay them back, eventually they have to use that collateral which will be a taxable event. They might be able to delay, but they'll eventually have to pay.

Why is this a problem though? They are legally obligated to pay off their loan.

They have to pay back any loans. They aren't free.

So you are suggesting that lending money to someone where prospective income is unlikely to cover principal and interest is not stupid because the creditors (who may be banks) have been able to structure the system that they won’t ever face the consequences of their decisions?
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