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When will the world Apple's duplicity? They are NOT private, secure or consumer friendly.


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Apple ecosystem isn't the bastion of privacy and security you think it is.

Apple is not to be trusted in terms of privacy. Nobody knows what their software is actually doing. It's all closed source. Their focus on privacy in their advertisements does not mean that their software actually protects users' privacy.

May I remind you that Apple's core value is protection of user's privacy. They are compromising their own core values.

IMHO the Apple cult really sucks. Apple isn't really caring about privacy, they are just making a lot of money with false promises.

Apple is a hardware company that uses privacy as a selling feature. They don't sell privacy, they sell hardware.

I don't "trust" Apple, but they have been hyping security and privacy as a competitive advantage for several years now. Their business model is selling hardware and support, not in advertising and data.

Remember when Apple punted privacy as their strength? In a closed proprietary system, it's always just a promise. It's the same story then as it is now. Never trust a company promising you privacy. If you can't verify your privacy, consider it absent.

Yes, but if security and privacy should be a given, why would you consider it a shame for a company to assert those values while their competitor don't ?

I'm sorry, but blaming Apple in this case makes absolutely no sense to me, and I'm definitely not pro Apple usually. In this case, it's the rest of the world that is to blame for not caring about privacy and security as much as Apple/at all, not the other way around


Apple has been building their brand on privacy and trust for at least a couple of years now. Can you be sure they're not sending everything to the NSA? Of course not. But they also make their money by directly charging users for services unlike the ad-based companies. There have also been many attempts by various governments to publicly force Apple to insert backdoors or prevent them from fixing security vulnerabilities which have failed.

I don't think we should trust any of the big tech companies with our data. We should instead accept that anything we share with them is not necessarily private.

Despite Apple positioning itself as the privacy minded company righteously protecting your personal information, they still share it with 3rd parties to implement products like Siri. They're very secretive and don't talk about that fact and they only begrudgingly admit it when something like a data leak occurs. Do we have any transparency into those companies that Apple is sharing data with? What standard does Apple hold them to with regards to protecting that data? No one knows because Apple won't say.

Apple's stance on security and privacy is as much theater as it is truth. They're in the business of selling you a product and to make it appealing.

The sad fact is they could tell you the new iPhone 11 allows you to fart rainbows but only if no one is looking and people would believe it.


But Apple = privacy. J/k... can't believe people still think that is the case.

This is what made me stop using Apple products altogether. Their privacy and security bit is all smoke and mirrors, and I'd much rather just directly understand what my privacy model looks like instead of trying to surmise what's going on through the other side of the frosted glass. Their compliance with China's Uighur roundup is despicable, and I don't trust them in the slightest to defend tech in the long-term. They're out to make money, which is why they're the most profitable business in the world.

Apple, because of their proclaimed fealty to user privacy clearly have the most to lose if they should violate that bond.

The first issue is Apple's vision of privacy requires absolute trust in them and providing them with access to all your data so they can leverage whatever parts they decide is useful for their software.

The second issue is Apple facilitated the modern form of having no privacy - apps with discrete access to all our private data, tracking us in real time, using APIs Apple designed, using an approval process Apple cheaped out on, and they have profited immensely from this state of affairs.

The third issue is Apple is often at odds with consumers, there is an entire Wikipedia article about their litigation from when they fucked people who buy ebooks, tech workers they employed, parents who let their kids play iOS games, people who bought laptops with butterfly keyboards, developers they chose to compete with, they often do things contrary to our interests and rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation


True. Unfortunately, the rest of the world that cannot afford products from the apple ecosystem will continue to suffer and they are probably highest at risk of being exploited in ways they can't fathom.

Not sure if/how there's a way for privacy ethics to win over economics/convenience.


Apple isn’t the savior of privacy. Their privacy features will only go as far as they can market it, and only for as long as they can profit from it.

I don't think privacy is a thing that most people happily pay, same as security. Only Apple can sell privacy feature bundled with luxury devices.

It's a sad day when Apple are the company I trust most with my privacy.

Apple is a heavily lock-in oriented company with ulterior motives and macOS is filled with DRM to boot. That's poorly compatible with the concept or privacy by definition.
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