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It was precisely the opposite that started this war - the inhumanity of some leaders and the people that support it.


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War is an evil and terrible thing, period.

The true bad people are the fat and comfortable leaders and agitators at home who send men to war.


> Being bombed or raped is the cost of engaging in aggressive war.

I could make the argument that the people being bombed and raped aren't generally the people who decided to start the war, but here's the better one: "They started it" is no excuse for inhuman behavior. We're supposed to be the good guys.


Your support or not support isn't a factor with regarding who started what war over what reason though.

War is so noxious. This whole debacle is barbaric.

It's a good lesson from history that if you as a nation or its leader decide to start a war take a good look at your people because you may be condemning them to death. Don't expect mercy from your newly made enemy.

You must agree that, by the standards of this paragraph, most wars waged by people should first be against their own current leaders.

It is no exaggeration to say wars have been fought for worse reasons than this.

Very often they say things like this: “War is certainly bad and unfair, but we have to go all the way once we have started it”. Or, “the war is unfair, but I can't be against my own country”.

There are no war supporters among people I know though, everyone has their own bubble.


The war began when they were faced with a threat of being less well-fed (not disregarding the immorality of it all).

Politics 101: Claim that your enemy is a genocidal aggressor madman and is devoid of all humanity.

Real war 101: All sides commit horrible atrocities. Just stop it.


Yes, or more accurately: the psychopath rulers and their cronies back home.

That's what I've been getting at, as you probably gathered.

In other words, ordinary people don't actually have a good reason to die and kill for X in a war, because X is always rulers and wars are always about their personal gain at the expense of countless ordinary people.


That is war. It is hell. It forces people to choose a side when it happens on their territory. Are you not happy with the side they chose?

Just as a counter to this, war invokes similar behaviour and a lot of people often support that.

It's not justification, but the reality. War is horrible and innocent people will always die in war.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. We fight wars with the intent of cheering when the leaders of the opposition die.

Well, in this case the war was started by someone else, with neither aid nor encouragement by anyone American. Acting to help one of the fighting parties win doesn't seem noticeable "pro-war", AFAICT, it's just a question of how the war ends, as opposed to other possible ends of the same war.

That'll be bad for everyone involved. Even the victors will have a rough time of it; and from your perspective, there's a non-trivial chance they don't align with your beliefs. People advocating for this have no concept of warfare in general, nevermind in a modern setting. The people hurt the most are always the innocent non-combatant civilians.

The problem is that moral outrage like this is used to justify war.

Nothing justifies war. Please remember that. War is innocent people mass murdering other innocent people.


War is hell but it's not to be avoided at all costs. It's preferable to oppression.
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