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My understanding is that most residents of Kyiv/Kiev speak Russian day-to-day, and therefore are more likely to use "Kiev" themselves. Russian language ? Russian state


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> How come you don't spell Kyiv properly?

Both spellings are proper.

Edit - should revise somewhat. Has to do with slight differences between Russian, modern Ukrainian and older Ukrainian, as well as changes to how Ukrainian is transliterated.


As in Russian (and I guess in Ukrainian).

Ukrainian language is called "folk language" (???????? ?????) in Russian language. In Ukrainian, it just "language" (????).

The "Kiev" is the English spelling that has replaced "Kiov"/"Kiow"/"Kyow" variants at the beginning of 19th century. It's closer to Ukrainian normative spelling of the times (?????, which transliterates to Kiev), rather than Russian (????? ~Kiyev). The Russian spelling changed to "????" (Kiev) a full century later. The whole "Kyiv not Kiev" debacle is mostly a political invention of yet another century later. One language cannot define correct spellings for other languages, especially the ones with different script.

it's not exclusively used by people in Russia, people in russian speaking countries, ukraine and other eastern european countries use it too.

Kiev ? Kyiv.

Pedantic, but it matters in this case¹.

1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/how-to-pronoun...


Just say "Slava Ukraine" heh, it seems to have become a rallying cry and a way to immediately see where most Russian speakers stand.

Ukrainian language is called "?????????? ????" in Russian.

And "?????" doesn't mean "????" in Russian at all - it means "rumors".


> Using ? quickly became standard in Ukraine, and the choice of ? versus ?? became a sort of liguistic tell to a Russian-speaker's political and cultural tendencies.

Doesn't seem THAT telling to me. Saying "?? ???????" is very common in the Ukrainian language, and lots of Ukrainians use bits of Ukrainian while speaking Russian. I wouldn't be shocked to hear "?? ???????" from a Ukrainian, and I most definitely wouldn't make assumptions about political tendencies based on it.


Ironically, the name "Kiev" would be no less offensive becuase this spelling of the name implies that this is a Russian city, not a Ukrainian one. The official and correct spelling is "Kyiv", see http://kyiv.of-cour.se/ for explanations why.

If a person went as far as ordering a "Kyiv Mule" instead of a "Moscow Mule", I'd assume that they'd be the type of person to care about choosing the spelling preferred by Ukrainians instead of the one preferred by Russians.

The word is widely used in Russian as well.

Russians sometimes name Ukrainian "Little Russian". So the newspeak name for Russian could of course be "East Ukrainian" or "Little Ukrainian".

‘Mova’ means ‘language’ in Ukrainian, seems legit.

Right, there are a handful of grammatical errors and colloquialisms that a person who knows some Russian may take for Ukrainian. But it's Russian.

In the early days of the Russian invasion, Ukrainians used "palyanytsia" as a shibboleth to detect spies. How well that worked in detecting actual spies is anyone's guess, but you can hear the difference in pronunciations really well if you enter ???????? into Google translate and use the TTS function with Russian and Ukrainian. It's really very difficult for a Russian to learn to pronounce this, but anyone who grew up in Ukraine (even if their first language is Russian and they struggle to converse in Ukrainian, like many older people in the south where I'm from) have no issues with it whatsoever due to many years of exposure to the relevant phonemes.

Russian.

could be also any slavic language, they use it in same way

That’s pretty common. Similar to people using Russian and Soviet interchangeablely
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