He is not allowed to take immediate actions to ensure his family's safety before filing the police report.
> Or a video of the alleged stalker engaging in any of the claimed activity. Not a video of someone calmly sitting in a car, recording someone recording them and saying "I'm not."
Yeah, I think the logistics was difficult around the incident.
You'd have to take the video all the way before you realized there was a stalker, and the stalker would have to be stupid enough to say "I'm the stalker" out loud while being recorded.
Are most the victims of stalking able to do that with the first incident? Is Elon an outlier here?
My conclusion is still valid. As of now, there is no way to satisfy your ridiculous criteria.
Would this count as stalking though? I pulled up a definition on Google and
> According to the United States Department of Justice (DOJ), the legal definition of "stalking" means "engaging in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that would cause a reasonable person to fear for his or her safety or the safety of others or suffer substantial emotional distress."
Using an antenna to figure out somebody's approximate location and publicizing it, when that somebody already has stalkers going after his children [1], seems like it would cause reasonable fear
I have no idea why you’re trying so hard to defend a stalker throughout this thread.
He was driving a considerable distance, on repeated occasions, while concealing his appearance, to harass someone. That’s not “snowflake” ethics - it’s wrong, full stop
It doesn’t matter how he chose to harass them, or whether the level of property damage was beyond a line you consider unacceptable.
> By the way, would you still call it harassment if you never got in the way of the person you were following, never acknowledged your presence, and generally let them go about their business while you were busily recording everything they did? Most people would still be very unhappy.
> No victim blaming here, but be clear and confront the guy
Stalking is very common. Rarely stalkers will murder their victims. It's not easy to tell the difference between the annoying but not murdering stalkers and the murdering stalkers.
So confronting them carries a small but real risk of severe harm.
There's also not much evidence that confrontation works to stop stalking.
> The slightest wavering means "yes" to some guys.
This is incorrect. To these people anything will be twisted into "yes".
"I don't want you to contact me again. If you make any further contact I will contact the police, and you will be in violation of the court order I have against you" will be interpreted to fit the delusion, perhaps "in truth she still loves me, and wants to be with me, but her husband has manipulated her into saying this stuff."
Tldr ratioanilty doesn't work with irrational people.
A stalker can demand to face their accuser, just to harrass that person more. This is exactly the example given in the article: if you're trying to make trouble for someone, dragging them through a lawsuit is effective.
>I'm friends with Rachel and the stalker dude is real
I would keep in mind the possibility that she herself is sending out this stalker material. If she has a history of generating drama, as has been suggested by others from communities she's been previously involved in, creating a stalker is the perfect device. Her account of the stalker's tactics is quite extreme: I've never heard of any case where a cyberstalker has taken things as far as she claims this stalker has. Some evidence would help her case.
As an aside, just to let you know where my perspective comes from, I've been involved in the past with noise/industrial music communities and have met some extreme, sociopathic individuals. I also currently have a friend who claims he's stalked but my best guess, after years of knowing him, is that it's a psychological manifestation. He has lost at least one creative deal by sending, out of the blue, abusive electronic communication. People can act in unusual ways, even intelligent, articulate people that are normally personable.
He is not allowed to take immediate actions to ensure his family's safety before filing the police report.
> Or a video of the alleged stalker engaging in any of the claimed activity. Not a video of someone calmly sitting in a car, recording someone recording them and saying "I'm not."
Yeah, I think the logistics was difficult around the incident.
You'd have to take the video all the way before you realized there was a stalker, and the stalker would have to be stupid enough to say "I'm the stalker" out loud while being recorded.
Are most the victims of stalking able to do that with the first incident? Is Elon an outlier here?
My conclusion is still valid. As of now, there is no way to satisfy your ridiculous criteria.
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