And women that want to can still go trough with pregnancy and adopt the child out if they want to. It is their right to choose if they want to dedicate 9 months of their lives to giving birth, including sacrificing their body and possibly going through the most painful and dangerous part of the lives. Made even more difficult now as many hospitals in red states are holding back needed medical care just so they don't get accused of supporting abortions.
It is certainly not our right to demand this so we can get cheap labor.
In many places in the US having kids is actually not a choice but an obligation forced on women by lack of funding for reproductive service clinics by ignorant politicians and repeated attacks on the right to an abortion by right wing extremists. This is a very loaded conversation at the moment, but there are politicians who've said things like, if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant she should accept the gift that god gave her.
The ability to have kids or not is one thing, the right to make the choice is another, and it's constantly being attacked by religious extremists.
Men should have an easy opt-out of a child’s life if they don’t want to have the child, it’s ridiculous that they don’t.
I don’t think you’ll find many pro-choice people that disagree with you on that. But that unfairness doesn’t make it right to force a person to go through 9 months of pregnancy and labor.
I'll address just one of your lefty talking points.
"Right to choose : They are against a woman's right to choose."
Why don't you finish the sentence, pal? Right to choose what exactly? Many people recognize that women do not have the right to murder their unborn child. One good thing from the Gosnell case is that the reality of your agendas are becoming more exposed by the day.
Reproductive rights are workers' rights, only workers will need to worry about the consequences of abortion bans. Others can afford the freedom to do what they want with their bodies.
I am not saying that a man should be able to force a woman to get an abortion. I am 100% against that, just to be clear.
But I also don't believe that carrying a child in her womb for nine months should mean that a woman can force a man to give up his bodily autonomy (by being forced to earn and pay money under threat of imprisonment) for 18 years.
If you're a pregnant woman in the US South that wants to get an abortion, should you not get that abortion if the people around you wouldn't be pleased?
Or should you be free to do whatever the fuck you want, because it's your choice?
Mothers risk their lives to give birth. If at any point in time a mother chooses to no longer offer her body as a temple for human growth, that is her decision, period. Forcing women to have children and give birth is sickening.
Here is something I would like to see some statistics into: the demographic of women who wish to have abortions during their third trimester or after for non related health reasons. I am not sure this is the case, but I would be willing to bet its not women in their 30s/white suburban housewives planning a family, and this is almost entirely skewed towards a poverty stricken demographic who usually is unable to afford a pregnancy test, and furthemore, live in neighborhoods/areas where there is a constant onslaught of domestic violent and sexual abuse, leaving women vulnerable, much less with $60 to walk to rite aid to grab a pregnancy test and plan B pill.
Alot of poor women do not know they are pregnant until multiple months in, even in the United States. This may sound bizarre and only possible out of sheer neglect, but I have friends who work for and at Planned Parenthood.
Excessive stress, physical abuse, weight gain or loss due to poor diet (welfare food/doritoes or not having access to food at all), mostly extreme stress (rape/abuse) can lead to missing periods.
If I lose 5 ibs in a month I miss my period. It could be very difficult for women with little to no resources and erratic lifestyles to actually know until a few months in if their only affordable resources are whether they are having a period or not. Not all women are regular in the first place, and a number of factors much more commonly occurring can, and often do, contribute to missing periods.
Of course, the pro-life is not going to look into that or advertise women in these situations as victims in desperate need of help but rather careless neglectful sluts who want to murder babies at their convenience.
Regardless, childcare, childbirth, safe sex, or any retroactive actions to safely and quickly remedy a potential pregnancy into a ...not pregnancy is expensive, with the minimum threshold of a plan B pill being $50, which was expensive for me in college, and simply unrealistic for women on poverty miles away from one.
Republicans thought making this expensive would deter pregnancy. Precisely the opposite, it simply delineates who can afford healthcare related to safe sex, family planning and raising children in a healthy environment, and who cannot, and places all the burdens of societies in ability to provide these things to humans at a minimum level of decency onto the shame/reputations and sluttiness/morality/choices of the mother. The vicous cycle does a great job of perpetuating poverty where poor women in non ideal situations are left with decreasing cycles of access to education, safe and respectful environments and access to knowledge/healthcare.
People who can afford healthcare will get it, even if they have to drive to another state to do so, not everyone can take their husbands landrover and use their health insurance to seek out a doctor highly regarded for safe abortions.
It's just a system that favours the rich.
Also, as a last note, I'm really tired of watching disgusting 50 + yr old politicians have an opinion about what women do with their bodies. It's none of their business. It would be inappropriate in person and it's inappropriate in the context of politics as well.
The line drawn is the government should not be involved in medical decisions between doctor and patient. Women don't endure pregnancy for almost 9 months and then decide to have an abortion a week short of birth on a whim. Late stage abortions are due to medical problems with the fetus or the health of the mother. If people are personally against abortion, don't have one, but don't force your views on others when you have no idea of the personal and painful decisions that others have to make.
abortion has been a natural right for thousands of years. women cerainly don’t need you nor the state to intercede in what is essentially a right to bodily autonomy.
If I do not control what happens to my body, what freedom do I have? I am not advocating that I individually control the expulsion of an entire group of people at a national level. I demand only control over my own reproductive function.
Women in these United States of America have no paid maternal leave unlike all other countries except 2 others, we have the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world on par with Sri Lanka, and until Obamacare rolled around did not have automatic pre-natal care in our health insurance plans. Why should I relinquish my right to self determination for a nation that cares so little for my successful motherhood? The US at a policy level has no skin in the game, yet a large group of its citizens want to tell me what do? Screw that...
We tolerate all sorts of nonsense in the US that ends people's lives in the name of freedom. Just look to the pro-2A crowd. They take no societal accountability for the lives of people in their policy preferences. Why should I accept any less for myself?
I suspect the vast majority of abortions are to women who are freely choosing it for their own reasons (their own right to liberty). You may seek to deny their agency in the process, but if these are babies that are being killed, it's at the behest of their mothers.
One of the best arguments for allowing abortion is that we do not force anyone to risk their integrity and life for another person, which is what pregnancy is. This argument won't work anymore.
People need to realize that “woman who might need an abortion” is not necessarily a healthy 16-18 year old with poor impulse control but is also likely to be a married, working mother of 3 barely keeping up with mortgage payments who wasn’t told that the antibiotic for her sinus infection could make her birth control pills ineffective, or a woman with a dearly wanted pregnancy that is now causing her to bleed and have a weird pain on one side, or a 12-year-old girl who didn’t understand what her big brother’s buddy was doing to her.
Happy to see the country I live in overturning that Nazi law that aimed to produce more Aryan babies in favor of acknowledging that women are rational beings. The counseling restriction is still infantilizing, but at least you have a lot of discretion in which organization you get it from - ProFamilia allows that you have better knowledge of your life than they do and have made your own decision, and will just help you implement it.
I am angry and hurt by the place I'm from and still have most of my family, because a situation that was handled rationally and kindly in Germany (an ectopic pregnancy - no “counseling session” aside from a doctor at the hospital factually advising me of my medical options) would make me hesitant to even go to the emergency room in Texas. No one really knows that they have an ectopic pregnancy until an actual doctor examines them, and the only treatment option is which manner of termination you and the doctor choose. Otherwise, it’s probably a normal miscarriage, which is treated with painkillers and encouragement to try again in a few months in reasonable places, but looks to be a legal risk in Texas.
It is certainly not our right to demand this so we can get cheap labor.
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