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First he said "at least many of my bitcoins stolen" and then followed up with "Nevermind many. It's basically all gone"

Which implies that it is indeed most of his bitcoins.



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> Where do you get "6% of all bitcoins"?

Is that not what was stolen? I haven't been paying much attention to the details.


I still suspect he stole the 18k bitcoins, the guy is slippery.

This is only a small fraction of the 120k bitcoins stolen at the time though. It may be a coincidence.

Yeah - I'm unclear what's happening here as well. Did his bitcoins get stolen from wallet.dat, or did they get stolen from MtGox?

How much was stolen? How many bitcoins are we talking about. It isn't very clear.

I think the bitcoins belonged to a guy who had his wallet of 500k stolen some time around last week.

"First up, who stole the bitcoins from whom?"

Allegedly one account with a lot of BTC was hacked. The Bitcoins were stolen from that account.


The stolen user hasn't reported until now, it seems. From one of the comments:

"It was definitely all our bitcoins that mtgox had in one account! I remember a few days before, people saying that some big bitcoin movements on bitcoin monitor were from mtgox, and the quantity being moved was around 400 000 to 500 000 bitcoins. No single user lost that quantity, it was our coins, from all of us!"


That is the implication. He got sent very large sums of Bitcoin, you would expect that he'd just get a bunch of small ones, but he got 2-3 large ones ($5,000 a piece).

Hmmm.

If they have actually lost three quarters of a million bitcoins, in an unrecoverable way (and nobody stole them), that's a HUGE proportion of all the bitcoins there will ever be that have just disappeared into the ether.


>The coins didn't disappear, they just changed hands.

To the crime victim, they just disappeared. Owning bitcoin is a very risky proposition for those who aren't extremely savvy in protecting themselves from thieves.


Just curious, how is he laundering them? Wouldn't he need to get clean bitcoin back in return?

Seems likely, any references that support your theory? Many people on /r/bitcoin and such places seemed to think that he outright stole it, but could be pure speculation (I didn't follow the story, don't take my word for it).

bitcoins were not stolen from a local wallet, rather they were withdrawn from his mtgox account to the thief's address.

Well, the OP here is actually claiming that the hacker made away with the btc, if I'm to understand his accusations correctly.

Exactly, someone sold a huge amount of Bitcoins. I.e., this was the first time it was hacked by someone stupid enough to call enough attention to his crime to have most of what he stole taken back from him. What do you want to bet someone smarter got in there first, and is maybe still in there? There are subtler ways to steal money than grabbing a huge amount all in one chunk and trying to cash out.

It seems unlikely that Karpeles randomly stumbled across 200,000 missing bitcoins. It seems at least plausible that he attempted to steal them and is now backpedaling since people aren't buying his malleability story.

This is the first ray of hope regarding customers recovering any of their missing bitcoin though.


He got caught when cashing out part of the stolen bitcoin through a KYC exchange...

he put them on his computer. that's how i got hacked and lost $2million worth of btc.
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