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But those signal wires aren't balanced twisted pairs.


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That’s not shielded. I doubt it offers any more signal integrity than the 30awg wires nicely taped together.

And the 30awg wires can go around corners without folding.


Sounds like you missed the “actually, all those digital wires are transmission lines” class :)

Wire is not Signal, right?

They are not required to be wired through all cables. Similar to SBU signals.

> * But they have a high parasitic capacitance because the outside conductor has a large surface area. > So if capacitance is causing too much propagation delay, you can use twisted pair.*

The capacitance is not really "parasitic", it is the circuit element representation of the electric field which is propagating. The dynamic electric field gives rise to a magnetic field, which is the inductive element in the expression 1/sqrt(LC) that you listed.

Twisted pair is no different: There is a capacitive element and inductive element per unit length. As it turns out, the capacitance varies as the log of the distance between the wires, so you can twist the wires and not change the capacitance very much. There used to be lots of "twinax", which kept the two wires at a fixed distance, but the separation plastic was mostly a PITA. (The pics I can find on google don't show the old flat plastic twinax that folks used to use. You can still find that stuff hanging off old television antennas.)


What's wrong with Wire or Signal?

Signal. Maybe Wire.

This isn't quite right. Big wires (ideally entire planes) deliver power. Small wires deliver signal. Half and half isn't the right split, and you don't want to make power wires smaller.

The very different requirements of the two is where a lot of the gains come in.


Unshielded twisted pair. Try the same with straight conductors ;-)

wires?

Those wires though :O

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They can be but they're not. Once you share a wire all bets are off.

I guarantee it's not the wire that's making it possible.

It's almost as if I really do think you should use Signal or Wire.

The wires.

Those wires are going to cramp some people's style, though.

> the. worst. wires. Always getting tangled

Had the same issue before discovering flat cables (if you don't know what I mean, they look like linguine, not spaghetti).


The transmission lines are designed to minimize the H-field radiation, so they're actively working against you trying to couple via the H-field.
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