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> newfound love for a weirdly biased neutrality

Switzerland has always been aggressively neutral to the extent of annoying the rest of Europe, not just during WW2 but all the way back to the Hundred Years War.



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> I wonder if this was at least a factor in Switzerland remaining neutral in both world wars

probably has more to do with 1515 (Marignano) and 1815 (Congress of Vienna, which secured Switzerland as an independent state, while enforcing neutrality).


> It's kind of easy to be neutral when you're landlocked inside NATO

I guess you think that NATO is why the Swiss people added a neutrality clause to the constitution of the Swiss Confederation during the Restoration in 1815?


> No, I don't buy it.

Well, we can read it up. The "hundred years war" date is of course wrong, they have neutrality since 1814/1815. If you cannot read german, use google-translate or DeepL: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutralit%C3%A4t_der_Schweiz

> This time around they went to the extent of refusing to sell ammo for their own weapons arguing they'd be used in a war.

Well, even Germany did this before 24st February 2022, and it never was neutral.

In the case of Switzerland, the neutrality is in their constitution. Neither the government nor the parliament can change it. It needs a public vote of the ca. 6 million people large electorate. Germany had it much easier, the "don't export to crisis regions" wasn't in constitution. And, truth be told, it was never followed through 100% (e.g. why would one export military ships to Saudi-Arabia, which is in war with Yemen?).

> They are outright destroying their arms industry

Yes, they do it. For me, this sounds that they like their neutrality more than money --- however, people usually assume more sinister motives. Like that Switzerland is somehow getting black money from russian Oligarchs.

To me, this sounds entirely implausible --- or if it happens, than in a similar scale as in EU countries. First, as said, the neutrality is in the hands of the electorate. Russian Oligarchs cannot smear 6 million people. Second, it is well known that Switzerland implemented all 9 sanction packets of the EU. They even seized russian assets, about 8 billion EUR. That is more than can be said of some EU countries!

So, if they still do business with Oligarchs, then only because these Oligarchs aren't in one of the 9 lists of sanctioned entities the EU created. In that case, we should blame both Switzerland and the EU.

Apropos "swiss liking neutrality": i read that in May 2022 there was a representative poll. It turned out that 85% of the swiss liked the neutrality and don't want it to change.


"Several countries which are historically neutral, such as Switzerland [...] have agreed to sanctions."

This implies that Switzerland neutrality is somehow relevant while in reality it is not. It implies sanctions DESPITE neutrality.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/fdfa/aktuell/newsuebers...


Are you disputing that Switzerland is historically neutral?

Newfound love for neutrality? The Swiss? You’re joking right?

> Neutrality is to appease all the rich that have stashed their fortunes.

How did you get to this conclusion?

* Switzerland has neutrality since the Vienna Congress 1814/1815, more than 200 years

* they weren't really rich back then

* instead, big powers of Europe feared that Switzerland will join one of their opponents, so it was dictated to Switzerland originally

* later, when Switzerland saw how the countries surrounding them got demolished again and again in each war, they actually adopted it. It is now in their constitution, article 185.

* the consitution can only be changed by the electorate of Switzerland (about 6 mio people), not the government or the parliament

So why would these 6 million people add / keep neutrality "to appease the rich" ? Not all swiss people are rich. In the southern french parts the risk to sink into poverty is even higher than in some parts of Germany!

Maybe a not-so-swiss centric view can shed more light on your (wrong) hypothesis:

In Europe Switzerland isn't the only (current) neutral country. We have Austria, Ireland and some smaller ones, like Liechtenstein. We used to have also Portugal, Sweden or Belgium in the neutral camp. Are they all known to "appease the rich" ? I doubt. Except if your idea of not appeasing rich people is having a government form like Soviet Russia, GDR, or Yugoslavia.


oh come on! Switzerland is neutral!

Switzerland is neutral.

Neutrality is neutrality. <---- that's a big period. Last time I went to Switzerland, didn't look like an oppressive place to me. Actually the rest of the world did.

Switzerland has grown fat on being neutral in both WWs.

Thanks for sharing, that's very interesting. Does that decision have anything to do with Switzerland's reputation for neutrality?

> They are the original neutral nation.

Read up on Swiss history, please.

Belgium, Norway, Sweden and Austria were also neutral at some points. (Or are still.) And those are just the nations that I can name at the top of my head.

Wikipedia says "Sweden (now EU): has not fought a war since ending its involvement in the Napoleonic Wars in 1814 with a short war with Norway, making it the oldest neutral country in the world."


The most interesting part is that Switzerland gave up its neutrality, something they didn't even do in World War II.

> Switzerland, as I said elsewhere, is now an EU state in all but name, and their security services are laughable anyway.

Agreed. The changes they made to their banking after 911 are a clear indication of how much reach the US has within Swiss borders.


... nothing about Switzerland is neutral

> Switzerland strangely enough has somewhat of a liberal reputation

Are you sure you are not mixing them up with Sweden? For example the last Swiss canton to give women the right to vote did so in 1991. And same sex marriage in Switzerland was made legal in July this year.


Well, neutrality goes both ways, does it not?

If the world supports Ukraine, but Switzerland refuses to support them, no matter who the opponent is, then that is neutrality.

Knowing the Swiss system very well, it would surprise me if there have been nefarious intents and ideas behind this.

Do not underestimate their cleverness.

Small country, suddenly rich with no worthwhile exports, all the big corps incorporated there because they feel the rule of law is given and functional and the money safe and the institutions work.

Small country, if you go from the centre of zurich, you will see one corporation after the other for a 30 mile radius, shoulder to shoulder. Its a remarkable amount of the liveable territory.

Really, do not underestimate their greed and cleverness.


> > In Switzerland

Switzerland wins because they are few people who make contrarian choices all the time and read the fine print on any international accord to see how they can free ride on the shoulders of all the other signatories.

Big countries like France, Germany, UK etc. they cannot be compared with the Switzerlands, Singapores, Hong Kongs of the world.

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