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This doesn't address the issue of non-CO2 pollution. Which is especially bad in large cities.


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Pollution is not CO2.

That's not first and foremost CO2, though. Many other forms of pollution tend to be far worse to local environment. Addressing those might involve things like catalytic converters on ships and the like.

They're not removing co2 from the atmosphere. So they help reduce new emissions, but they don't help with the existing ones.

The CO2 emissions are unavoidable. DEF reduces particulates/PM2.5, but it doesn't do anything for reducing CO2.

Yeah but what about the pollution (not CO2)?

Note that this is true in terms of various pollutants, but importantly not CO2.

I would guess this is to do with health impacts of toxic emissions rather than co2 in particular.

We already know a lot about making megacities smog-free. That's why London and Los Angeles had absolutely dreadful air in the mid-20th century but it's much better now. As for why Delhi hasn't followed the example of richer cities in cleaning up the air, I'd say it is mostly due to lack of funds for infrastructure and enforcement.

There is also research about reducing the amount of CO2 already in the atmosphere. Here's one of my recent favorite papers: http://www.southampton.ac.uk/assets/imported/transforms/cont...

The reason that emissions-free energy sources get discussed more than carbon dioxide reduction from the atmosphere is that reducing emissions appears to be significantly less expensive and more scaleable for dealing with the bulk of the problem. Once you bolt on the extras necessary to make coal plants low-CO2, the electricity costs more than if you'd just eliminated coal altogether, so there's no point to it. For an example, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemper_Project


All of those reduce emissions but they don't stop them and they don't do anything about the existing already-too-high levels.

Millions of people already die yearly from pollution. It's definitely not hassle free.

Mainly because we are talking about NOx and other Health related emmissions that have local effects not CO2 that have global effects. Yes it sucks about the countries where they end up but it's the responability of the local governments to care what level is acceptable and what not. And often governments have to balance the need to stimulate local economy (by affording to buy cheaper used machines) vs the public health concerns.

This argument might be made for CO2 emissions, but nitrogen emissions are mostly a local problem.

CO2 isn't the only pollutant I don't want in my lungs. Hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides, and particulate matter are moved from cities and reduced overall.

And CO2 is just one of many pollutants.

> As standards of living raise people find pollution is negatively affecting them and so they solve the problem locally.

This works if the problem is local and bothersome to the locals -- rusting drums leaking poison or heaps of trash. Carbon dioxide and methane are invisible and odorless and instantly become everyone's problem, so we can't expect this mechanism to induce people to solve the problem locally.


Pollution is the enemy not carbon.

They want less aerosols and less carbon. Both cause problems.

One problem partially mitigates the other, but nowhere near enough. To solve both problems, you have to solve both problems.


Presumably this didn't apply to CFCs or sulfur emissions?

I don't see the words "except for pollution" anywhere in your post.
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