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It can make a difference in your braking distance and agility. Not specifically for pedestrians/cyclists, but that greater kinetic energy is a safety concern in higher speed collisions with other vehicles.


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Err in frontal collisions, maybe? But in pretty much every other case, having something with more kinetic energy will product more harm - it's physics after all. You don't see cyclists killing each others' a lot after all.

You're probably more likely to hit cyclists or pedestrians, but they're a lot less likely to kill you.

Along those same lines, cyclists should remember that they have both considerably more mass and velocity than the average unprotected pedestrian.

Kinetic energy = 1/2 m v^2

In a typical city scenario, a car has KE of 1/2 (2000 kg) (50 kph)^2 ~= 2e5 Joules. A bicyclist has 1/2 (100 kg) (30 kph)^2 ~= 3.5e3 Joules. Almost 100x less capable of inflicting damage on a typical pedestrian. Add onto this that bikes are way more maneuverable, less collision surface area, are totally exposed to the same forces exerted on the pedestrian with which they may collide... your comparison with cars is intellectually dishonest because you are comparing a human on top of a 10-20kg machine with a human inside a 2000kg metal box with an incredible array of safety features for the driver and hardly any for pedestrians outside.


And pedestrian/cyclist safety

Kinetic energy doesn't kill cyclists in the usual circumstances.

You need very little kinetic energy to make a cyclist topple and fall. The fall itself can lead to injury and death, lying on a street in the midst of all the traffic is even more dangerous.

Any touching of car and cyclist is very, very dangerous. That's why I brought up the example of cyclists passing cars with practically no space between them. They feel it's safe, but it's incredibly dangerous.


20+MPH accidents are dangerous on bicycles and they are also more likely to hit pedestrians due to reduced reaction times.

You unfortunately miss the huge difference in mass and thus impact force. I guess it will make at least some difference.

A 100kg cyclist + bicycle vs a 1500kg car (+ driver)


Being hit by a car is invariably worse than hitting a car, because the car is carrying orders of magnitude more kinetic energy. It's simple classical mechanics - (1/2)mv^2. A car has 15-30x more mass and is travelling 2-4x faster than a cyclist.

If I'm filtering through slow traffic at 10mph and clip the side of a car, I'll have a minor tumble - scuffed handlebars, grazed palms, dented pride.

If a motorist clips me at 40mph, I'm almost certain to suffer serious injuries. I might be hit on the back of the head by a wing mirror, I might be dragged under the wheels, I might be launched over the hood, I might be bounced into some street furniture.


Though at the mass ratios of car vs pedestrian/cyclists, the difference on the car side makes no significant effect. It doesn‘t really matter if the ratio is 1:10 in favor of the car or 1:20. The acceleration that the car will feel is negligible either way.

Ahh the old “let’s apply rules designed for cars to bicycles” fallacy

Some of what you have said is correct but let’s make this clear: cycling across a pedestrian crossing at walking pace posses vastly less threat to human life than a car doing that would.

Fundamental physics, momentum=mv

Bicycle plus rider: 100kg

Car: 1500kg

That’s a 15x

For a comparison,

Human: 80kg

Bicycle + rider: 100kg

That’s 1.25x

If we assume that risk is proportional to momentum, then that’s an 125% increase of threat from a bicycle vs a human (running at the same speed) and 1500% increase of threat from a car vs a bicycle.

So to compare cars to bicycles doesn’t work, they pose a vastly reduced threat to human life va cars and in fact, cars pose more of a threat to cyclists than they do to pedestrians (I.e more cyclist die in car accidents that pedestrians).


I agree that it’s important to understand the risks and ride accordingly. I do wish the US would prioritize cyclists and pedestrian safety more though

> engineers have spent a lot of time trying to minimize the amount of energy a human absorbs during a car collision. It's not perfect, but it's superior to the lack of protection offered when bicycling.

This is aimed at protecting the occupants of the vehicle, but some of the more recent design trends (thicker a frame pillars, higher center of gravity) make collisions even more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists. I’m not saying those features of cars are a bad thing, but I feel like compensating for the extra risk to pedestrians and cyclists has not gotten as much engineering attention as it should. It’s tough because it’s a broader problem that has to do with how we design roads, and the attitudes people have when they get behind the wheel


It should show the weight difference, that is crucial to understand its impact on pedestrians and cyclists during collisions.

Is acceleration a factor that contributes to injuries to cyclists or pedestrians? Most accidents in city centers are vehicles travelling at relatively slow speeds and drivers who are already at speed, but not paying attention.

The amount of energy imparted upon impact to a pedestrian is mostly a factor of momentum and the shape of the vehicle.


Definitely. Though I feel that many people may not know that the probability of a fatality in cyclist/pedestrian accidents increases dramatically between 20-30mph, and I certainly see a lot of ebikers doing 25mph+ in crowded areas that would be 12-15mph if not assisted.

It really depends on the situation. Kinetic energy is only part of the picture, sure, higher speed is worse. But most crashes aren't direct impacts into immovable objects.

One of the most common injuries for cyclists is the ubiquitous broken collar bone. This often happens to folks when they're coming to a stop, or even when they're motionless, and they lose balance and tip over. The unavoidable reaction is to put one's arm out to mitigate the fall. If the arm doesn't bend at the elbow, energy gets transmitted straight to the collarbone and may cause a fracture.

Another common injury is concussion. These are, of course, worse at higher speeds because they usually occur when the cyclist goes over the handlebars. This can happen so fast that there is no time to protect the face-- hence the term "face plant". But a head injury can also happen when tipping over at zero speed.

Not totally disagreeing about the speed aspect, just the usage of the kinetic energy factor to imply how much worse the accident "could be". Velodrome cyclists regularly wipe out at 40+ mph. Serious injuries and death can occur, but that is highly dependent on the specifics of the crash. The overwhelming majority of the time, higher speed means nastier road-rash.


1) An auto going 30kmh is a great deal more dangerous to a pedestrian or cyclist than a cycle doing the same.

2) Cars pose a risk to cyclists, even if cars are going the same speed, which is a fictional scenario, as many motorists don't go the same speed as cyclists and instead overtake them dangerously ASAP.

3) The risk posed by cycles to pedestrians is far less than the danger posed by autos to cycles.


I've only seen one good study about this, and it was in Sweden where people drive very differently. That study suggested faster speeds do lead to more collisions or near collisions with cars.

But in the absence of more relevant and recent studies, I prefer to trust my own experience. I feel safer on a bike when I go faster because I'm moving at a slower speed relative to the cars more likely to hit me, and I can get out of the way of others more quickly.


A 30 km/h car is also a lot less likely than a 50 km/h one to hit a cyclist or pedestrian in the first place - far shorter braking distance, and longer time for the slower mover to spot and avoid them.

Also, as someone who is both a cyclist and a driver, there’s a bit less urgency and frustration to pass a 15-20 km/h bicycle when you’re only allowed to do 30 anyway than when the limit is 50.

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