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As a Native Dutch speaker that story reads like it’s written in an alternative ancient Dutch ancestor, very different vind then what I usually get from German.


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That's a cool text. It feels like the language switches to old dialect. It reads and probably sounds a lot more like old german or dutch.

Ha yeah I remember that part. I speak Dutch and it basically sounded like German to me? Really strange.

Haha this had me chuckle as a native Dutch speaker.

I will admit that they nailed the German-Dutch accent.

However, the weird choice to use “translatie” which, while technically is a Dutch word, wasn’t common even back in the period this is supposed to take place and feels more like a lazy translation of… well the English word “translation”, combined with, what I can only describe as “just blurt it out as fast as you can” direction, makes this very comical.


Was about to say that sounds very german yet with a sprinkling of dutch.

The writer calls it peculiarly Dutch, but then describes it taking place in Belgium, as well.

German here, can confirm. Dutch sounds like weird German, and as a German you can usually read it, but speaking Dutch is an entirely different thing.

Sounds like dutch to me

It's really weird when you are speaking Dutch natively

As an English speaker who knows a bit of German, Dutch basically seems like a random combination of English and German words with a few misspellings thrown in for kicks.

Do you have a deep link to a translated version of the story?

Google Translate didn't work on this site. It just showed a blurred background. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&u=https:/...


To my German ears it sounded definitely English, not Dutch, like a very hard to understand dialect.

I'm German and I know that most germans could read this. :) It's funny how similar Dutch and German are.

It is Dutch.

Amazing how much the Dutch language has changed. I'm a native speaker and that text is very hard to decipher for me. The hand writing is beautiful but very hard to pick apart to begin with. And that is made a lot harder by the many spelling, vocabulary, and grammar changes to the language. I tried to read a few sentences but couldn't make much sense of it. I suspect I'd still have a hard time even if somebody typed the text with a more legible font. I guess, a modern translation with original drawings would actually be an interesting thing to read for a lot of historians and designers.

>It's not Dutch, it's German, so trying to translate it as if it were Dutch would give strange results

Anecdote: One of my coworkers once thought that Dutch means German. I guess it was because the words "dutch" and "deutsch" look so similar.


That's hilarious. I think the translator may have decided not to want to confuse the audience with the Dutch sense of humor.

Based on the style, I'm guessing the author is Dutch.

Dutch is a Franconian dialect though? They just didn’t go through the consonant shift like their cousins in the Rhineland. It isn’t really that closely related to Frisian or Low German and even less so to Norther Germanic.

Meta: it's kind of eerie to read an article like this that is obviously written by an 'outsider'. Although non of what's written is factually wrong (as far as I can tell, I'm no historian), the specific way certain nuances are skipped over gives it an almost 'uncanny valley' feeling. Part of it is that it's written in English and certain nuances just don't exist (like his mentioning 'Lord of the Netherlands' vs 'de Nederlanden/Nederland', his strange 'Aux quatre vents' translation - yes I know it's correct literally, but it just feels so off compared to the idiomatic meaning), others skip over so much historical and current geo-political context that it seems tone-deaf to sensitivities ('the Dutch Republic (loosely modern Holland)'). I understand that for an article on an historical painter, you cannot go into details like this, what I'm saying is the choice of what the writer considered important and the way he skips over nuance makes it feel very alien.

I guess this phenomenon is well-known by people who are from cultures that are usually written about by outsiders :) but I don't encounter it often and this specific article just evoked this really weird feeling in me. So many instances where I internally reacted with 'WFT is this guy saying' yet no actual factual errors that I can find.

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