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> the SC can also overrule those laws as long as they can come up with a reasonable justification.

They don't even have to be reasonable justifications, judging by the justifications they've used for other rulings recently.



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> impossible to overturn it without directly abandoning stare decisis.

The Supreme Court really doesn’t care about state decisis except when it suits them. That was made plainly evident last year in Dobbs v. JWHO.


> A law that Congress passes overrules any and all SCOTUS precedent on the issue

Wow, that's wrong...

Take Loving v Virginia: there, the court ruled that interracial marriages must be governed by the same rules as all other marriage.

No law of Congress can overturn that ruling. Only amending the constitution or the court itself have that (theoretical) power.


His opinion talks about considering whether the court overstepped it's bounds on those rulings, not whether those behaviors should or shouldn't be illegal.

> The purpose of SCOTUS isn’t to rule based on what the desired outcome is, it’s to rule based on what the law explicitly does say and is permitted to say per the Constitution.

That's a farcical excuse to achieve the desired outcome. If the only "acceptable expert advice" is 200 years old, then they're just being obstinate.


At least one member of Congress claims the Supreme Court can be overruled.

https://youtu.be/tApnkKi7Suc


The supreme Court primarily hears important cases where there are strong and reasonable legal arguments on each side. The idea that they can just apply the law in these cases is a bit unrealistic. It's just not that clear cut in the majority of SC cases.

>they should have a good reason for it.

The Supreme Court says otherwise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_basis_review

In order to justify the New Deal the Court lowered its standard for state infringement of liberty to: "You just need any reason for this law, it doesn't have to be a good one"


You're making it sound impossible or forbidden but the SC has overturned its own precedents over 300 times before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_overruled_United_Sta...


The US Supreme court has overruled that before.

The SC can only rule on cases that appear before them. The SC cannot just decide to rule on whatever they want.

I also think it is reasonable - however - what the SC has done is throw out precedent here - there is a tremendous amount of "law" that has not been codified by the constitution or by congress, but instead relies on decades and decades of cases that have come before the supreme court. So in this instance they have specifically decided that these previous decisions were wrong and reversed it. I believe this was done selectively and purposefully.

> "it's because SCOTUS believes the legislature needs to act"

The SC made up modern QI out of thin air on their own, so this feels like a cop-out.


> Consider that the US Supreme Court does not render advisory opinions; to overturn an unconstitutional law, one must violate it first, then defend oneself all the way to the Supremes.

Please don't take this the wrong way: Research this topic further!


SCOTUS can of course overturn any statute for any reason, valid or not, subject to very few practical restrictions. So when we're talking about where they'll intervene, we're always doing that with the proviso that we're predicting their behavior based on their charter and their history.

Having said that, the history of 4A law suggests that the word "reasonable" in 4A connotes a mandate for unusual deference to the legislature --- and SCOTUS already tends strongly towards deference.


> So the end goal even according to SCOTUS is for these measures to eventually become unconstitutional.

This shouldn't be an acceptable justification, "righting historical wrongs" is a highly subjective policy goal which shouldn't be relevant to a verdict of "constitutionality".


It's not an illegal rule until the Supreme Court actually makes a ruling. The Supreme Court does not determine Law merely by speaking.

> The court isn't empowered to do something just because two parties agree.

It can find executing an innocent person to be unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment, and that the statute preventing review of the case on its merits is similarly unconstitutional as a result.


... and SCOTUS can freely misinterpret those changed laws, as well.

Remember Shelby v Holder, when SCOTUS struck down an unambiguous law, unanimously passed by Congress, previously held as constitutional?

Don't tell me Congress can override SCOTUS when they obviously can't.


> That's literally SCOTUS's job

Its job is to resolve cases and controversies. If that requires finding the Constitution supersedes a law (or a federal law supersedes a state law), so be it.

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