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Yeah, the parent comment illustrates a misunderstanding of how vaccines work.


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> It's a bit funny that some commenters relate this to vaccines.

This is literally the only comment chain in the entire thread to reference vaccines


> the vax has rendered herd immunity impossible.

This doesn't make any sense; the vaccine confers immunity.


> That's not the point of vaccination.

Please provide some citation for this outrageous claim that the point of a vaccine is to NOT provide immunity from infection.


> relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the mechanism of vaccination.


> Extreme and stupidly ignorant of how vaccines actually work... no vaccine is 100% effective - the MMR vaccine is claimed 95% effective with 1 dose and near 100% with 2. But the MMR vaccine is one of the oldest and most effective.

Your kid is unvaccinated, should have been, and transmits something to somebody else who is then injured? You should have some degree of liability.

Your kid is unvaccinated, could not be vaccinated *(too young, or had an existing medical condition that made it impossible) , and transmits something to somebody else who is then injured? Well, that's a shit situation, but there is not much that should be done in that situation.

Your kid is vaccinated, catches something anyway, and transmits something to somebody else who is then injured? Well, that's a shit situation, but there is not much that should be done in that situation.

These complexities are not intractable.


> But the vaccinated are being infected at higher rates than the non-vaccinated according to UK govt data

Good god I'm so tired of having to explain vaccines to people.

Vaccines do NOT prevent you from being infected. That is NOT their purpose. That is NOT why they are created. The vaccine would have to somehow physically prevent the virus from entering your system. Not a single qualified, authoritative person on this subject has ever claimed they do.


> This becomes even more important because even the basic mechanism is not studied for vaccinations long-term at all.

It is spouting shit like this that makes people call you an anti-vaxer. What the hell are you on about?


> But I get it, you and the other poster are trying to seed doubt about vaccines.

yeah no, not at all


> saying that vaccines are fake and don’t work

But that's not what he's saying, is it?


> This comment is saying that vaccinated people are more likely to die than the unvaccinated.

That's definitely not what I was saying. I'm curious which part have you that impression?


> The vaccinated are vectors and petri dishes too. A virus is going to virus.

Ok........you don't understand how antibodies & viral replication work. Please learn from people who are more knowledgeable than you and stop playing around. People are dying. People are being hurt. It's not an academic game.


>>Why can’t they make it effective with one vaccine?

There are actual technical and medical answers to this, but somehow I have a feeling you aren't interested in knowing them.


The commenter claims to want to removed "FUD" from the dialogue.

Then proceeds to dispense with their own "FUD" about scared parents desperately trying to vaccinate their children.

Apparently no one else can think for themselves.


> Could someone explain to me how this is a vaccine?

It's a metaphor; an analogy. It might not be a very good one.


> A wish to survive future infections? Natural immunity is more effective than vaccine immunity.

No, that's not true at all. You got it exactly backwards.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

I wonder why you cherry-pick obscure sources from other countries while your own CDC quite clearly refutes your claims.

Moreover, you do not need to pick between either getting infected and taking the vaccine, so your whole argument makes no sense from the start.


> The oldest treatment in modern medicine. We understand their side effect profiles very well at this point.

Every vaccines contains a multitude of different things apart from the active ingredient, and each of them can have a vastly different safety profile, and when you take a vaccine, you are putting everything together in your body.

So the core techinique of vaccines, being employed for so long, does not actually prove the safety of vaccines in general. In fact, it cannot be proven generally, because as I said earler, each vaccines can contain vastly different make up.

In other words, what you said is pretty idiotic.


>>Intentionally harmful vaccines would incredibly hard to pull off.

Oh, I don't think it was intentional. Just a (hypothetical, not confirmed) unintentional side effect.


> Remember these vaccines are more intended to reduce the severity of the virus.

People could be forgiven for thinking otherwise: https://tinyapps.org/blog/202201040700_gaslighting.html


> that these vaccines were developed in weeks as an emergency.

I shouldn't have to address this point since the vaccines are presented as ultra efficient (94% or more).

> because most countries have vaccinated 0% of their under-12s.

They're not at risk, why should they get vaccinated?

So now you're going to tell me they're transmitting the virus. OK, but if the vaccine works, who cares?

If the vaccine works why are vaccinated people afraid of the unvaccinated. If it doesn't work why get vaccinated and why insist everyone gets it?

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