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I think we should dig the California viaduct deeper. Make it one long lake. Or dig giant water holes all along it. All the excess water can just fill up the holes along its 700 mile length. No idea if it's practical(probably not), but watching all that water flow into the ocean this winter seemed like such a waste.

The WRCB's plan is to store 600,000 acre feet of water which is 26,136,000,000 cubic feet. If we took 500 miles of viaduct (2,640,000 feet) at an average depth of 30 feet and average width of 40 feet ( = 3,168,000,000 cubic feet) and dug it 10x deeper, we'd be styling.

I mean, a 300 foot trench along the middle of California is doable, right?



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I was thinking more like a 10 foot wide hole, 1 mile deep.

But now we are talking about building a tunnel rather than an aqueduct. It isn’t weird to drill water tunnels for a hundred or so miles.

> You're thinking too small though ;). You can dig a mile deep. And you can lift enormous weights.

But at that point, why wouldn't you just do a classic pumped-storage reservoir?


Yup, though we don't consider it a problem, that's just the simple math. Our solution tunnels down 1 mile deep and excavates an underground reservoir. While this may sound extreme, it's entirely feasible and cost-effective. We can say that with confidence because we're basing our analysis on research from the U.S. Department of energy. We link to that research on our website if you're interested.

It sounds like quite an engineering challenge and a lot of ground to excavate to store a significant amount of water.

Geothermic energy and CO2 storage sound a lot more useful if you’re going to dig that much


Isn't the water table too high at that location? If that's true then it was never a realistic possibility to build a trench.

Maybe it was 900 feet? That would be more in the range of "shockingly deep, but quite possibly necessary in California".

If I had basalt under my house I would dig a system of tunnels too. But our water table is basically 2 feet under ground. :(

It seems to me that if you need to dig a well that deep you have utterly failed to address the real problem: you are using MUCH more than falls on the ground. Wait a few more years and you'll just have to dig an even deeper well. It's just postponing the inevitable. [1]

With that principle in mind, I'm not sure I care if deep resources are polluted for a few hundred thousand years.

[1] Mexico is rapidly improving economically; it may make sense for them to postpone the real solution until such time as they can afford to desalinate and ship water long distance.


> But you have to dig a really deep hole

Well, you can also dig a relatively shallow long trench, if you have space for it.


Interesting idea: digging a 65 story hole and lining it with a building. It may be uniquely suited to Mexico City (on an ancient lake bed). In most places you would have to remove 600 feet of bedrock, not a cheap proposition.

What prevents you from digging a very deep downstream hole to store such water besides cost?

Yeah, the problem is simply practical - digging a shaft like that and keeping it from filling with water is expensive.

I do think the borehole plan (3km deep, rather than 400m deep) is better, although it is more speculative and this proposal has the overwhelming advantage that it’s being enacted.

If you want to go deep enough for the system scale to be reasonable, you have to get a big drilling rig. You'll hit rock within a couple hundred feet or perhaps a thousand, but I'm not sure of anywhere in the world with 5,000-10,000 feet of dirt.

The problem with going shallower is that the system capacity is directly proportional to depth and weight. Too shallow and you have to have huge weight and that means a large diameter hole and really big cables and such.

But going deeper requires drilling through rock, and aquifers which are located within the rock. That means big regulatory hurdles because nobody wants to poison the aquifer on accident. Plus the large costs of drilling through rock.

I really like the idea from a theoretical standpoint. It's very elegant. But it doesn't seem practical from an economic or regulatory standpoint. If there are places where you can get the diameter and depth for free, it's clearly genius. But I don't think purpose-drilled holes for this will become a thing -- at least barring some kind of immense breakthrough that I can't even imagine.


That's not an insurmountable problem, it just costs more money to deal with. People have been building structures below the water table for hundreds of years using cofferdams and caissons. Very realistic, just a bit pricey.

To be honest I'm pretty doubtful the economics of excavating a reservoir are going to work. It needs to be very big and very deep, which is going to be very expensive unless you're planning to go all Edward Teller (don't go all Edward Teller).

> Unfortunately, it takes years of consistent water to refill the underground stores.

What about filling the underground aquifers faster by digging a hole to connect a pipe to the aquifer then pressure-pumping water into it?


Yeah... we're talking about miles of rock... There's no way you're going to blow an opening between the reservoir and the sea-floor.
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