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> Outside US iPhones are nowhere nearly as popular. In many markets Android phones have about 90% of the market share

In my opinion, with the possible exception of South Korea, that is purely a matter of apple's global pricing vs local purchasing power and a huge number of those android users would have an iPhone if they could afford it.



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"Most people buy into Android phones because iPhone is only available on 2 carriers. If iPhone was available on all carriers, Android phone sales would be much, much less."

Sales figures in countries outside the USA where the iphone is on all networks shows that statement to be extremely unlikely to be true in the USA


> Android has about 72% of worldwide market share, so clearly Android phones are not significantly less attractive.

More precisely, Android has the BOTTOM 72% of the market, mostly cheap smartphones with thin profit margins. Almost all actual profits go to Apple.


> Apple now has enough market share, especially in mobile

Not really. Depending on the country, the iPhone has between 10 and 20% market share and they are shrinking month after month. Android is on its way to becoming a monopoly, for sure.


> In the US, iPhone has a 58.81% market share

There are demographics where Apple has dominance.


> Last that I've seen is that almost 87% of the smartphone market is dominated by Android.

How much money does the iPhone versus the Android phones make?


> Android is actually much closer to being a monopoly

Thats only true outside of the US though. iOS is >60% in the USA.


> which is the most important market. It is the most culturally influential and people have the most dispoable income

Yet the majority of people outside of the US choose Android. Plenty of large markets and developed countries outside of the US.

Then I have to question. Who is being influenced culturally by the US preference for iPhone?


> iPhones are not the majority of the market by any stretch

It depends on which market you are looking at. In the US market Apple apparently has a 57% share according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/620805/smartphone-sales-....


> Apple has a small piece of the smartphone pie.

An iPhone is the single best-selling phone on pretty much any given year.

iOS is also 50/50(or more) with Android in a number of countries.


> brilliant if your family and friends are all on iPhones, which I'm pretty sure is fairly common in most Western countries

iOS market share is 60% in the US which is the highest worldwide, and only above 50% in a handful of other countries (UK, Japan, Oz, Canada)[0]. If you have any friends who are not rich, or are European or South American, there's a good chance they won't iMessage you but try to add you on WhatsApp.

[0]https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-v-ios-market-share


>> claiming more than half of the market in May 2020.

Market share /= number of devices.

Apple owns the "market", ie the money. Apple owners spend vastly more on their OS (via playstore). Android might be running on vastly more devices, but the people who matter, the rich people with money to spend on camera apps, spend that money via iPhones.

We live in a world where whales matter more than customers. The legions of android users who use their phones to make phonecalls, as internet browsers, and as navigational tools ... they don't matter as much as any single iPhone user who regularly drops a few hundred every month on eye candy iPhone backgrounds.


> iOS is starting to regain marketshare from Android.

There is zero evidence of that and plenty of evidence that it's the opposite. Android is activating more than twice as many phones as the iPhone every day, it's a gap that the iPhone will not be filling for at least five years, if ever.


> In the rest of the world, iOS is maybe 20%

If you count the number of devices. By app store sales, the figure is maybe 50%, probably higher.


> Androids marketshare is FAR FAR bigger

Not in the US. Apple has 60% of the mobile market compared to Google's 40%[1], and Apple's App Store is responsible for 100% more revenue than the Play Store.

[1] https://www.pcmag.com/news/ios-more-popular-in-japan-and-us-...


>While they do occasionally have a great quarter, I don't think they've ever cracked 50% share in any major market in any calendar year. Ever.

There is a different between Sales Unit Market Share, and actual usage market share.

As long as Apple user dont migrate to Android, and the total smartphone user in US being the constant ( most adult already got a smartphone ). Even if Apple sold zero smartphone in a whole year. They will still have the same market shares.


> I don't think there are any more first-time buyers of phones left in the world

I might believe you if you said the US, but given how low iPhone penetration is outside the US, combined with how many new people use the Internet for the first time each day in India alone (100,000,000 per year, most of that being accessed over a mobile device), it's clear that smartphones haven't hit 100% potential market penetration the way "food" has.


>Globally, Android has 87% of the market and iOS has 13%.

That is not true. Neither in unit shipment or usage. However one wishes to define as market share.

>You're singling out one particular market

And if that market has its own jurisdiction. Then yes, both UK and Japan has over 60% of Smartphone user on Apple's platform.


> Apple and Google are 99% of the smartphone market

Apple and Android are.

But Android is far more diverse than just Google's distribution.


> Android has 85% of the worldwide smartphone market

I think a mistake to make here is thinking that Apple gives a toss.

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