Maybe with text snippets, but I don't see how somebody can listen to the conversation and come away with the idea that the dev was blackmailing anyone.
Sounds crazy, but the more you look into it [0]... And don't forget the blackmail! You know, which Huffman projected onto Apollo's developer, even after being proved a liar by Christian's recordings.
This is actually quite important, because Huffman and 'maxwellhill' go way, way back.
The thread linked at the top of this page covers the accusations made by Steve directed at Christian and includes the call recordings Steve was apparently unaware of completely contradicting those accusations.
Additionally, someone else in the comments here linked the text of a post[0] made in /r/partnercommunities with similar accusations to what's quoted in TFA.
Absolutely nothing in the linked article rises to the level of libel or slander, as far as I can tell. Perhaps it's hiding behind "I don't want to publicly share the details".
(Unless you're referring to the situation with Apollo's developer and the recorded conversations. That might. Maybe.)
Your hypothesis would make sense if he was trustable.
However as it is, the results of the thing are never confirmed by a third party, meaning literally anything could've been said, regardless of whether it follows the rules or not.
For all he know the chat could have been "i'll paypal you 200$ if you post on the list you let me out and sign this NDA".
I looked it up, Selig said it was an employee [1]:
> As mentioned in the last post, thankfully I recorded the phone call and can show this to be false, to the extent that Reddit even apologized four times for misinterpreting it:
> Reddit: "That's a complete misinterpretation on my end. I apologize. I apologize immediately."
> (Note: as Steve declined to ever talk on a call, the call is with a Reddit representative)
Remember, this was not intended to be public. You read this as a public statement when it's really just a leaked chat conversation. Your version might still be true, but this is not proof for it.
What kind of receipts are there that people would believe? "This guy said he works for elon musk and he paid me $2000 to go on reddit and call people pedophiles, just look at this zelle email!" wouldn't go very far.
I do have screenshots and "solid" evidence that the account is from a developer from the same consulting firm, but I think it's a very hard case to defend.
I agree that trashing their name all over the internet is the easiest, but I don't think a lot of people will see it and I won't get anything in return other than (some) immediate satisfaction. The positive side is that at least for the few that might see it, I'm warning them of the dangers of trusting third parties...
All of the things you quoted are obviously referring to Reddits claim that Apollo is incurring very high costs through its API usage. I don't know how you can get anything else from it. What do you think "And have Apollo quiet down" could mean EXCEPT for this?
spez is free to release counter-evidence, the Apollo dev has given his approval for anything to be released. Him not doing it means we just have the Apollo devs recording to go off - and that is very, very clearly referring to what he is claiming it's referring to.
This is a great point. This was a private comm between ChatGPT and the user who published it. It should be on the user to verify things like that before publishing.
What does a world look like where people parrot whatever they hear with no responsiblity whatsoever? If we think we have "disinformation" problems now...
The point is - I've seen plenty thrown around, most very clearly manipulated. What's more - some small amount of them made me doubt in Stallman a bit, like the "knight for ladies" thing, but after a while it turned out it was manipulated as well, so... it feels like standing on rms side here might be a pretty safe bet after all.
If you're too lazy to do the research yourself, I've even found a page that collects it and does proper justice to objectively present them in full context: https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ (although this text could do just as well with a few less "paid to write, not to read" repetitions...)
There is a lot more information regarding stuff from the past few months involving other accounts and/or proof of defrauding. I'd basically be puppeting someone from the team, repeating it from IRC here and that feels wrong to me. Suffice it to say, I don't buy for a second that this was meant as a joke, and at the very least I don't blame Steve for immediately taking action.
This is something that could have happened to anyone. Not just because of misplaced trust in an online partner but because it's easy to create fake screenshots of conversations using Photoshop or simply Inspect Element.
I'm interested in how you mitigated the damage once the post was published. A good strategy might have been to simply discredit it as being fake/photoshopped along with a small tutorial showing how easy it is to create (most aren't tech savvy enough to understand this already).
True you'd be lying, but this is certainly not below the level of someone who's falsely accusing you.
He gained some notoriety for claiming that the official Beijing Olympics app was recording audio and uploading it to China based on the permissions it requests and a library that it uses, however he offered no proof that it took or uploaded audio recordings outside of the translation feature.
https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-...
reply