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Night_Thastus · 2023-07-24 14:15:33

Doesn't that only happen on the first boot with new memory? As well, I thought it was more of a concern on AMD, and less on Intel. (Z690 is Intel)

jacquesm | karma 227883 | avg karma 3.76 · | 2017-06-03 22:44:51

This could be a CPU problem but it could also easily be a memory subsystem or cooling issue. I really hope someone will get to the bottom of this soon and that it won't be a CPU issue, that could get expensive for AMD in a hurry.

Edit: and reading the comments in that thread it would be great if people would remark if they're running stock clocks and if they have upgraded their BIOS.

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threeseed | karma 21216 | avg karma 2.31 · | 2024-03-17 01:52:16

Depends on what you're doing.

It happens fairly often for me with more exotic hardware e.g. Infiniband or when I push the hardware too hard i.e. parallel Rust builds.

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SomeoneFromCA | karma 655 | avg karma 0.7 · | 2020-05-05 12:16:10

AFAIR 1st Ryzens had some issues with their memory controllers.

balls187 | karma 6403 | avg karma 2.06 · | 2020-03-01 18:56:20+00:00

Anecdotally, I've heard similar issues with AMD chip-sets and RAM.

Koshkin | karma 7543 | avg karma 1.41 · | 2020-05-18 15:36:32+00:00

I have seen this when running Linux desktop on older AMD CPUs.

gnyman | karma 581 | avg karma 3.16 · | 2014-07-15 07:47:39+00:00

Thanks I did not know, I believe I had it overclocked at the time. Very useful to know about if it starts happening more often.

floatboth | karma 5759 | avg karma 2.0 · | 2019-12-19 17:44:30+00:00

That's very board specific I think, some boards from the first Zen generation also had that problem, but my MSI board boots very quickly

cjbprime | karma 11682 | avg karma 4.23 · | 2018-01-02 17:40:08+00:00

Are you sure that all Intel CPUs are affected? Might just be older ones.

cesarb | karma 14181 | avg karma 3.67 · | 2020-07-30 16:48:56+00:00

Notably, this is the second time in a few months that this happens. The previous one was a microcode update, though that one was Intel's fault (according to Intel, it happened only when the microcode was loaded by the kernel; they probably had tested only loading it from the firmware).

semi-extrinsic | karma 13245 | avg karma 3.42 · | 2017-02-26 01:27:33

I've seen it once even after upgrading, so it's not that the old RAM was dead. I'm guessing BIOS or driver issues as others have mentioned.

usr1106 | karma 4230 | avg karma 1.83 · | 2023-04-08 05:13:13

I recently updated the firmware on an MSI motherboard and since then machine suffers from occasional memory errors. Could be just by coincidence, but the timing was very close. Zero problems for months (probably years), first problem 4 hours after the upgrade. Downgraded later to the previous firmware version, but that did not change anything anymore.

caycep | karma 1777 | avg karma 1.44 · | 2014-12-24 15:01:19+00:00

Had this happen once, apparently fixed with zapping NVRAM/PRAM. Never happened again...

FeistySkink | karma 605 | avg karma 2.13 · | 2022-08-09 02:57:16

I'm on T14 Gen 1 AMD with Fedora with the latest BIOS for the past 2 years and hasn't really experienced any issues. Perhaps I'm missing something here. Care to elaborate?

vondur | karma 2893 | avg karma 2.14 · | 2019-02-15 18:17:50+00:00

That’s true to a certain extent. Once in a while a system won’t like a drastic change like going from an AMD chipset to Intel and you may get a bluescreen on reboot.

0xbear | karma 900 | avg karma 1.3 · | 2017-08-04 13:31:12

I bet it's a brown-out of some sort which will be fixed by bumping up the voltage a bit. Or using the Intel trick of slowing the CPU down when it needs to execute heavy vectorized workloads. I wonder why this only seems to happen under Linux though.

yetihehe | karma 3015 | avg karma 2.2 · | 2024-02-23 09:32:54

TL;DR: some motherboards by default overclock too much on some intel processors, causing instability.

AshamedCaptain | karma 6226 | avg karma 3.11 · | 2023-02-16 12:40:27

MSI is not much better than the other choices when it comes to buggy firmware. Just grep on a z690 how many AE_ALREADY_EXISTS errors you get on a fresh kernel boot ( which indicates at the very minimum a total lack of attention to detail). It did not improve on the z790 despite the fact it was widely reported to them.

bnolsen | karma 261 | avg karma 0.93 · | 2017-06-03 22:57:17+00:00

Always had problems with this in the old days with intel stuff when I used to overclock. There's a reason I don't overclock anymore...

chiph | karma 8264 | avg karma 2.57 · | 2023-09-24 06:34:48

I noticed it after I upgraded to a 3900X. Not sure if it's an AMD thing, a USB hub thing, or a many-core thing. But it had never happened before. (Microsoft Pro Intellimouse)