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The guy who told her to die was definitely on drugs and absolutely wired. Which there are bound to be some characters that way in a large city. The others I can't say, they were basically normal passers-by with no abnormal demeanor prior to being cruel.


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As I've said in a different reply, the KYS guy was definitely on drugs - his demeanor was abnormal even before he opened his mouth. And every city will have characters of that type. But the other people were just average run-of-the-mill folks from afar who decided to make her day worse.

I'm baffled when people (the lead) behave this way. I'm not asking this sarcastically and you probably wouldn't know, but were they on some heavy sedatives or psych drugs?

It's not as exciting as you might expect-- group of meth heads on the street he was attending to, and one insane lady just hopped in and drove off.

Not exactly the same, as I believe there were more than drugs involved, but several years ago, I met someone who had been through the system in his youth. I didn’t really like the guy at first, as he was rather volatile and could suddenly turn aggressive (diagnosed bipolar, don’t know if he was actively treated at the time), but as time went on we were mostly cool. Eventually he would tell me about his life, how he had gone to school for three years, but had to drop out for a variety of reasons. He would talk about his time spent homeless and the things he would do to get by or protect his stuff. It was pretty clear he wasn’t ok mentally. He couldn’t find good work, due to his record, and felt condemned to working a near minimum wage job to support him and his wife in the run down town we lived in. Eventually, he started getting erratic, confronting his managers about issues with his paycheck among other things. One morning, we heard he had crashed his car into a ditch and I didn’t hear anything from or about him for several months until a mutual acquaintance had informed me he had committed suicide at 27.

was it an overdose that killed this poor guy or another interaction?

I think the point was the few lines after that about the punishment the attacker withstood, presumably due to the drugs. Subduing someone on PCP can be much more difficult than someone who is drunk or high from other substances

People ALWAYS try to sidestep accountability; i.e., "He didn't kill him intentionally. The drugs made him do it."

I don't at all care for the way in which he mentions his crimes were nonviolent and tells us about being arrested for dealing ecstasy (a drug with little taboo associated with it) while skipping over the fact he's currently in prison for dealing choke-on-your-own-vomit synthetic opiods, not cute party drugs.

That stuff killed a coworker's son a few years ago. Died right in his own recliner.


Definitely a heavy user of recreational drugs. This crime may have been related to that.

The article reads more like the death of a lying, scheming drug addict.

Wait until you hear about Elijiah McClain, who was tackled then choked/injected with ketamine until he went into cardiac arrest and was eventually pronounced brain-dead. He had 911 called on him for walking while 'looking sketchy'.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/who-was-elijah-mcclain.html


Huh. I wonder how they might have become mentally ill, what could have been done about it and why they might have turned to drugs.

Must just be some essential part of their character. /s


I don't like how this was articulated because giving someone enough drugs to 'knock them out' is extremely dangerous in any circumstance.

There are so many things that could have gone wrong during that time, my god man ... random diver dudes (i.e. non medical) giving needles putting people out - this was as dangerous as anything else.


tl;dr former heroine user was good for a couple of years, being productive and successful, relapsed and robbed a bank, executed unsuccessfully, committed suicide by police.

Who knew, good and smart people can be totally ruined by drugs?


She sounds like someone that actually cared about him.

It’s terrible that someone who seemed like a genuinely kind person ended up surrounded by sycophants taking advantage of his wealth and encouraging his drug issues.

"I am going to be blunt," she wrote in the letter, obtained by Forbes. "I need to tell you that I don’t think you are well and in your right mind. I think you are taking too many drugs that cause you to disassociate.

“Jewel reportedly told Hsieh in the note that "people you are surrounding yourself with are either ignorant or willing to be complicit in you killing yourself.

“When you look around and realize that every single person around you is on your payroll, then you are in trouble," Jewel wrote, according to Forbes.

“You are in trouble, Tony.”

She was right.


Having read that now, I'm starting to think he was on some serious drugs the day it happened (most people aren't going to be able to stomach chopping up a human, led alone an animal) and then slowly lost it a number of days later.

> Are you on drugs?

If he was, would you murder him?


Charles Whitman received Valium, and he loved his Dexedrine. He brought along a goodly supply of Dexedrine when he climbed the clock tower at the University of Texas.

The Columbine kids were well-medicated. Remarkably, despite their prescriptions, they were yet to be diagnosed with any mental illness.

When you read about someone who committed crimes, or merely caused a police-involved disturbance, the media will often say that "they had a history of mental/behavioral issues", which means that they were likely taking psychotropic drugs at the time of the incident. Many people choose "suicide by cop" which has been notoriously easy to do.

The FDA still grudgingly labels a few drugs with the "homicidal ideations" spiel, but not as many as they used to.


I honestly don't care what people do in their private lives, it sounds like he managed his life pretty successfully in spite of his heavy drug use. The fact that a physician let a young woman overdose in his company is pretty damn slimy though, and an indication that he might not have been doing as good a job keeping things under control as he thought.
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