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Apple does not have a history of giving most of their data to the US government. I'd go so far as to say that they have given less than .00001% of their data to the US government and they were probably legally obligated to do so. Apple actually has a history of not bending over to the government.


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Apple, along with Google and other companies, gives the government access to pretty much all of our data: https://www.theverge.com/2013/6/6/4403868/nsa-fbi-mine-data-...

Apple has admitted to giving the US government information.

So they don't run algorithms over your meta-data, instead they just give your personal info the the government.

I'm aware Google does comply with government requests too, but also attempts to push back and keep the government honest.


Apple likes to loudly proclaim that they care about protecting their user's data, but they also refuse to put their money where their mouth is. That to me is telling enough.

I do think it's important to note that I have not seen direct evidence of them abusing that data, but we've seen plenty of companies/governments/organizations doing bad things for years without direct evidence.


Apple surrenders customer data on over 30,000 customers per year to the US government without search warrants or probable cause.

This is disclosed in their own transparency report (FISA).

This isn't optional; Apple has to provide data on any user account the USG demands of them, without a search warrant.

Your trust in them is misplaced.


Each year, Apple gives up customer data on over 150,000 users based on US government data requests, and NSL and FISA requests[1].

The idea that Apple would fight this is a farce, as they regularly give up customers' data without a fight when the government requests it.

[1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html


Actually I think they do - if they're ever legally required to give up data here they seem to not really put up a fight, or have an incentive to make the data useless for the govt.

What I'm saying is expecting Apple to have your back sounds meh.


Apple already hands your data over to the US and Chinese government.

We wouldn't know about it, but they were caught.

It's just marketing.


What you say makes sense, the problem is that in the (strange?) world we live in I have more trust in Apple than in my government regarding my data, both technically and from an incentive perspective.

That's extremely valuable data to Apple and a great target for criminals, but I'm not sure the government would have much interest in it.

An interesting read, I would agree with the author, Apple is making it difficult, not impossible for govt to get your data. TLDR, apple's claim is misleading, govt can get data in other ways

Or the US government asks them not to. Apple gives up US customers' data for about 150,000 users/accounts a year[1].

[1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html


Apple happily responds to data requests from the government with user data for hundreds of thousands of accounts each year[1].

[1] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html


You're just playing word games. Apple gave user information to the US government in return for money. That's selling.

Nitpicking about whether they made a profit has no bearing on the statement “Apple selling user data to US government”.


What Apple does with all the data they collect may be one of the best guarded secrets in the world. Assuming they invest heavily to collect the valuable data and do not use it for financial or power gain does not make any sense.

Apple famously positively answers 80% of all government data requests. No idea why people think Apple is somehow special with your privacy, it isn't.

Ex. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1412550/apple-share-user...


Yet the page says "less than 0.00385% of customers had data disclosed due to government information requests."

So they ARE giving data to the government at their request...

BTW, that percentage of say, 100 million customers (which I'm sure Apple has, probably more) is 3850 people, not an insignificant number...

Anyhow, I personally wouldn't trust anyone anyway. Google, MS and Apple are all American corporations, and need to comply with US law, no matter how asinine.


I would expect Apple not to sell this data. They don’t need to, and the bad press if it gets exposed could loose them more money. Their business model doesn’t require it.

Even in US, Apple regularly gives data dumps to US government. iCloud DOES NOT have the same privacy guarantees than iMessage and similar. The iCloud Privacy Policy closely mirrors Googles.

Here's the report - Apple gave data to US government in 80% of requests in 2017: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/25/apple-second-2017-trans...


Apple doesn't sell your data, they force you to give it away yourself.

They are fundamentally an anti-freedom company, and you need freedom to protect yourself.

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