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It's borderline legal advice and you have to be very careful with predicting how judges will rule on future cases.

In a legal context certain words have immense power. In the context of copyright 'transformative' is one such case. It's a very fine line between 'transformative' and 'derivative' and you don't get to preempt the judiciary about how they will see things.



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My limited understanding of case law is that transformative use is still judged very human-centricly.

E.g. the courts take a dim view of any attempt to create a machine (in the abstract sense) that takes in copywritten works and churns out similar-but-uncopywritten works


It's going before the court to answer the question of whether that work is transformative.

"Transformative" being an affirmative defense for copyright infringement is precedent (Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 1994).


> So there is some precedent that courts do look at the "utility" or "sufficiently transformative" aspect when weighing copyright infringement.

Curiously, from the article, copyright infringement is not alleged:

> As a final note, the complaint alleges a violation under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act for removal of copyright notices, attribution, and license terms, but conspicuously does not allege copyright infringement.

Perhaps the plaintiffs are trying to avoid exactly this prior law?


That’s not how courts have ever interpreted things and this isn’t just my opinion.

One of us is running into a brick wall in this conversation and that brick wall is “has read related case and statutory law”.

What I’ve been doing is pretending we’re having an objective conversation about copyright so logically I’m treating this closer to a mock trial. I’m not actually sure what you’re doing but I would recommend referencing, you know, the extensive evidence you have to support claims of what is or isn’t infringing.


> Fortunately there are no ambiguities anywhere else in the law, which is why all civil lawsuits are decided in 10mins by a secretary and an intern

Unlike a simple civil contract dispute, for example, where the ambiguity usually lies in the terms of the agreement between the parties, what I'm referring to is the ambiguity inherent in the federal case law precedent surrounding derivative works -- let me explain.

Derivative works, as defined by the Copyright Act of 1976, are those "based upon one or more preexisting works" that have been recast, transformed, and/or adapted from their original form. [1] Specifically, there is differing authority as to the requisite level of originality required for a derivative work. For example, in Gracen v. Bradford Exchange, Judge Posner held that a "derivative work must be substantially different from the underlying work to be copyrightable." [2] Compare this approach with that of the second circuit in Alfred Bell & Co. v. Catalda Fine Arts, Inc., which rejected any novelty requirement, holding that a "distinguishable variation" of the original work would suffice to trigger copyright for a derivative work based on public domain sources. [3]

The required amount of originality has produced a circuit level split in cases involving the infringement of the exclusive right to prepare derivative works. Particularly, pictures taken from lawfully purchased books and mounted to a tile were considered, by the ninth circuit, a "recast or transform[ation of] the individual images" sufficient to infringe the original artist’s section 106(2) right. [4] The seventh circuit, in a strongly worded opinion by Judge Easterbrook, rejected this approach ?nding that the pictures were merely "bonded to a slab of ceramic ... [and] not changed in the process." [5] Easterbrook opined that the seventh circuit’s inclusive view of derivative works would create an expansive moral rights regime not explicitly authorized in the 1976 Act. [6]

In other words, until the Supreme Court rules definitively and resolves the circuit split, the threshold of originality necessary for a derivative work depends on the precedent your jurisdiction follows. Hence why it's more ambiguous than is typical of other topics in federal law.

[1] 17 U.S.C. § 101.

[2] Gracen v. Bradford Exchange, 698 F.2d 300, 305 (7th Cir. 1983).

[3] Alfred Bell & Co. v. Catalda Fine Arts, Inc., 191 F.2d 99, 102 (2d Cir. 1951) ("It is clear, then, that nothing in the Constitution commands that copyrighted matter be strikingly unique or novel. Accordingly, we were not ignoring the Constitution when we stated that a 'copy of something in the public domain' will support a copyright if it is a 'distinguishable variation' ").

[4] Mirage Editions v. Albuquerque A.R.T., 856 F.2d 1341, 1344 (9th Cir. 1988).

[5] Lee v. A.R.T. Co., 125 F.3d 580, 582 (7th Cir. 1997).

[6] See id. at 582. Easterbrook observed: "If Lee (and the ninth circuit) are right about what counts as a derivative work, then the United States has established through the back door an extraordinarily broad version of authors’ moral rights, under which artists may block any modi?cation of their works of which they disapprove. No European version of droit moral goes this far."


> It's a blessing, not an obligation or a demand or a condition of use.

That's how we interpret it. The problem is that we don't know what the rights-holder has in mind, and what that entity's willing to sue over.

Lawyers can be comically risk-averse. Comical, that is, until you see the kinds of things people actually sue over.


I guess it depends on one's opinion about copyright law.

No the judge doesn't. The more likely situation is that the constitutional goals of copyright are not an exhaustive list or precondition of properties of a work to be copyrightable. The article says 'early Circuit ruling', meaning at a) it's 'only' a circuit ruling, and b) that it might have been from a long time ago. What is 'useful art'? Are they going to argue that some horror movies aren't copyrightable? Or Justin Bieber songs? This argument is a stretch, I can't see it going far.

The key concept to take away from legal theory is that in the end, judges decide.

The uncertainty and doubt that DannyBee comments seem to instill is a bit regrettable, since its not that complicated. A derivative work is a legal concept built on a few vague concept, neither which has been clearly defined, and the precedential case law for software derivatives is almost non-existent. What does exist is an industry standard, and a defined intent written in the license text.

When a judge look at a copyright case, intent and industry standards goes a long way. Judges does not seem amused when people trying to find loop holes or game the system. Add that with the commonly commercial nature of cases that get brought to court, and I would not bet on the infringer getting a pass.


It would help the transformativeness, but it would substantially change the effect upon the market. By creating competing products with the copyrighted material, there is a higher degree of transformative, but you also end up disrupting the marketplace.

I don't know how a court would decide this, but I do think the facts in future GPT-3 cases are sufficiently different from Author's Guild that I could see it going any way. Plus, I think the prevalence of GPT-3 and the ramifications of the ruling one way or another could lead some future case to be heard by the Supreme Court. A similar case could come up in California, or another state where the 2nd Circuit Artist Guild case isn't precedent.


"The Constitution says explicitly that the purpose of copyright is to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts"."

Unfortunately, those are just words, and they can be interpreted any way judges want. They could simply say that "Progress of Science and useful Arts depends on genres being copyrightable and copyright owners making money."

Judges are great at coming up with arguments to justify their positions, no matter how specious such arguments are. It's just their opinion, but their opinion is the one that counts.


That's the Copyright Office's view. What the law means is decided by the judiciary, not the executive.

So, i'm not going to express a precise legal view here (i am sadly too involved, i'm just going to stick to answering more general questions and pointing out what caselaw says), just pointing out your analysis of commerciality as the goal of the first factor is precisely what SCOTUS said not to do :)

I will simply point out, as i did in another comment, that the court of appeals in that case did in fact, claim that because 2 live crew took the heart of the old work, and made it the heart of the new work, that it was not transformative, and SCOTUS said that was wrong.


You say that, but other people say the opposite. I have no idea who's right. If you happen to have a link to a detailed legal analysis, with references, feel free to post it. I don't promise to read it myself but probably someone reading this is sufficiently interested in copyright law to read further.

That's a complete misunderstanding of the issues present in this case, which were very nuanced. I say this as a copyright litigator. And I'm happy to explain further if you'd like.

I'm not sure how you got the idea that I was trying to argue about what copyright LAW says. I was simply making the case that, just as with quantum mechanics, nothing about copyright is based on common sense, so people need to be careful to be aware of this bias when they think about these issues, especially when a lot of people discussing this have moral / philosophical positions that confuse their view of the legal standing of the plaintiffs. "That doesn't seem right" is a question of legislation policy, not of interpreting existing law.

Copyright is not a principle or an ideal. It's a pragmatic law designed to achieve specific goals. It can and does make such arbitrary distinctions.

It's interesting that they phrased it like that. If they were confident about this, they would easily be able to prove this in court and it would be a very simple case of copyright infringement right?

Damn you better be a copyright lawyer to use this, I just read at least 2-3 gotchas by skimming the article
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