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> I'll start listening to the mass transit hopium

It's odd that we are talking about 'hopium' when mass transit is already a thing in many countries.



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> I live in the countryside

Mass transit isn't for you. That's fine.


> maybe a subway

Mass transportation! Oh, the humanity!


>What do you think comes next?

Public transport, hopefully.


> We definitely have public transit here.

I suppose this light rail train I am watching go by outside my window is just a mirage or something. Same for these buses, obviously a plant.


> This could actually be a catalyst for major transmission. It’s ridiculous.

Have you ever used public transport?


> Mass transit sucks. I’ve been to pretty much every tier-I city on the planet and the ones that really pushed transit (Hong Kong comes to mind) were by far the worst.

Strange. I've also been to some "tier-I" cities myself and liked the ones that really pushed transit the most (Tokyo comes to mind).


>Subways make sense because they are short lines within the city. I'm talking about inter-city transportations. We'll soon (well, in 10-20 years maybe) have self driving cars

You're kidding right? This is not a substitute for high speed rail. Cars are SLOW.

>potentially faster planes (some are in development)

You mean like the Concorde?

>maybe better train technologies

Or maybe not. Especially since without large scale investment train technology basically doesn't go anywhere. You could have said this in the 1960s yet we're still running the same shitty passenger Amtrak lines we did back then.


> Or maybe we should replace individual mobility with useful public transport

I'd really like to see more monorails being built. I believe monorails would be an excellent general solution.


> It's weird though since in the US people actively fight against mass transit.

It's kind of understandable that people protest against having their money stolen and used to build things they don't like. Why do you think it's weird?


> Before you mention public transportation, realize that it would benefit from driverless technologies as well (aka, not zero sum).

No, public transportation has completely different technological needs.


> Let's get real public transit back

You forgot the tiny detail that public transit sucks bad in most countries (and you won't fix it with government and unions) and it won't get you where you need to go unless you live in the very center of a city.


>No one likes public transport

I have a anecdatum of one, that being myself, that I like public transport. Just, the US public transport is god awful and you may be thinking of the US style of public transport, or the lack thereof, and thus come to that conclusion. Which, fair enough. Just not representative of the wider world.


>I am thinking, couldn't we consume less energy for transportation just by making lighter vehicles?

Subways do that. Centuries old technology


> We need a combination of underground hyperloop systems and overhead maglevs for inter and intra city transportation.

Some people might want that, but need?

I think we can build quite nice cities without them, and don’t think we need faster inter-city traffic.


> I think it's pretty absurd that we don't have automated trains and light rails

We do have them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_...


>The new guidelines also emphasise the need for a diverse mix of public transportation options, including light rail, buses, and subways.

Not surprising at all, but I didn't know what they mentioned next:

>Although China [...] is working to build over 7,000km of new subway lines in cities across the country by 2020

As somebody living in the U.S. this has me absolutely floored. I'm feeling some extreme transit envy.


> Public transport sucks, not sure why so many people people like it.

Public transport sucks in the US, but that's just because the US has a weird hostility towards it, so doesn't properly invest in it. There's nothing about it that makes it have to suck.


> plenty of cities around the world with reliable and effecient public transport, don't write it off completely because NYC's is subpar.

I'm certainly not writing off public transit as a concept. I'd love to be able to step out of my building, step into a magical conveyance that I didn't have to drive myself, and step out next to my destination.

It's great that other cities managed to solve this problem, but I don't live in those other cities. Yes, NYC could right itself, and build more subway/tram/BRT lines, but this tends to take forever. I need to get places now. My life won't wait for the city to sort itself out.


> I don't like waiting at lights when I could be moving, with a metro that's not an issue.

So you never have to wait for a vehicle and all of your routes are direct with no stops? I doubt that.

> worrying about the vehicle being damaged

You been on US public transit?

> knowing that I'm still paying for it even when I'm not using it

You pay for public transit while you're not using it.

>, those things all annoy me.

Then I guess public transit annoys you just as much if not more if you are in the US.

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