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peyton · 2023-12-19 15:30:53

How? It’s not designed for consensus.

pretz | karma 536 | avg karma 7.66 · | 2012-09-11 11:34:38

Hmm, really? Looks like consensus is a design flaw is a design flaw.

than3 | karma 595 | avg karma 1.03 · | 2023-05-28 22:49:02

The problem with 'consensus' as a whole is, its not always possible.

Just because you do something doesn't mean you agree with it.

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ric2b | karma 1145 | avg karma 0.83 · | 2021-05-28 17:40:19+00:00

Except it has no way to achieve consensus automatically. That's left as an exercise to the reader.

Tichy | karma 16300 | avg karma 1.62 · | 2009-09-06 16:56:16

It's not a consensus.

vmception | karma 13016 | avg karma 1.62 · | 2020-12-18 11:26:37

That's how consensus works on the internet.

Users use consensus as a proxy for accuracy, but it has no way of accomplishing that.

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eternalban | karma 6518 | avg karma 1.44 · | 2017-12-16 15:01:11+00:00

Exactly. Consensus by brute force. It is a curiously anti-democratic design.

tunesmith | karma 8404 | avg karma 3.06 · | 2015-05-28 19:51:20+00:00

Yeah, consensus isn't the same thing as finding the optimal solution for all involved. For the latter you need a safe way to register opposition and an efficient way to incorporate it until all nodes understand the entire system and respect all the roles appropriately.

yieldcrv | karma 3087 | avg karma 0.64 · | 2022-06-27 14:01:48

it doesn't have consensus

and that comes from the people and their representatives

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eddiewithzato | karma 148 | avg karma 2.28 · | 2023-10-14 17:59:46

everything relies on consensus anyway

m3kw9 | karma 3357 | avg karma 0.75 · | 2024-05-02 17:24:04

How does it work? Make it look like a consensus

mykowebhn | karma 2133 | avg karma 6.16 · | 2019-08-02 19:26:31+00:00

Isn't managing consensus extremely hard to do? Wouldn't one want to rely on a proven solution rather than spinning up a new solution?

benchaney | karma 1859 | avg karma 2.78 · | 2018-01-10 19:31:51+00:00

It's not. This in particular is completely lacking:

> decentralized consensus?

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andsoitis | karma 15255 | avg karma 3.51 · | 2022-11-26 14:32:17

> decisions based on a consensus

Consensus is no way to make all decisions, especially important ones where people will disagree.

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_pmf_ | karma 2981 | avg karma 1.06 · | 2021-10-21 01:03:10

Consensus is a bug, not a feature.

It makes science better manageable, but makes it less precise and varied.

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bdowling | karma 2513 | avg karma 2.46 · | 2023-06-07 16:13:23

Consensus means that people agree; it doesn’t mean that they are right.

b1db77d2 | karma 6 | avg karma 0.67 · | 2014-08-06 08:20:29

Which for something that's meant to be maintaining consensus is a fairly stupid move.

hopler | karma 432 | avg karma 0.53 · | 2019-04-03 21:25:27

That's democratic consensus. It's not centralized. You can fork if you want.

sintaxi | karma 1019 | avg karma 1.87 · | 2020-10-14 19:08:15

Consensus is a political concept, not a scientific one.

icebraining | karma 48925 | avg karma 2.14 · | 2019-10-07 23:03:13+00:00

Why do you need consensus at all?